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Old 08-09-2018, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TrailFox76 View Post
I will have to look at goosenecks. I donít typically travel with all 5 of us, and could definitely move some of the weight to the trailer. I have a 24í bumper pull that I load up right and kiss the payload numbers. Does a gooseneck pull better than a bumper? Isnít it the same idea (a ball)?
The primary advantage of a gooseneck is the sideways tilt for rough terrain. By example, the truck could be tilted 10ļ one way and the trailer 10ļ the opposite way. So no different than a bumper pull. But, you get all the advantages of the over axle 5th wheel. To my knowledge all GN campers are 5ers converted to GN. Farm and horse trailer come standard as GN.

Or does carrying the weight over the axle make it more stable?
Absolutely! Every conventional trailer owner talks about sway, I'm between 5K & 10K miles, never had a sway event. Just go on YT and watch the trailer crashes, always BP and most you'll ask why? I've had two flat tires on my GN, once at 60 mph on I-70. Saw the tire shrapnel in the mirror, pulled over, change the tire, no sway.

Then there's hitch cost, high end WDH's with anti-sway go for $3K, I paid ~$300 for my GN hitch. Then there's weight, a GN hitch is ~50# whereas a WDH is more like 200#.

If you already own a bumper pull trailer, you'll likely not change. I couldn't get my camper to pavement w/o a gooseneck. The first winter I had chains on the rear tires and 4WD LR and was spinning all four getting to pavement.
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Originally Posted by TrailFox76 View Post




i just have visions of a single axle like this hopping down the highway after hitting a bump.
The torsion axle VS a sprung axle will help, but they probably do hop around a bit more than normal since they are so lite.

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Old 08-09-2018, 10:29 PM
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I posted FACT, everything else is speculation. There can be NO doubt about that. It's ignorant to assume and call it fact. I stand by Ford's facts as posted.
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I didn't need facts when the 1500 Ram I saw with the quad in the 5.5ft box and the 30ft+ (probably 33-34ft) on the hitch with no WDH. Some things are just obvious.
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I didn't need facts when the 1500 Ram I saw with the quad in the 5.5ft box and the 30ft+ (probably 33-34ft) on the hitch with no WDH. Some things are just obvious.
Bet that was fun to drive. That quad probably actually helped to put some weight on the front tires. Although it contributed to the gross overload. Ford actually requires a WDH above certain gross trailer weights, I'm sure Ram does too. A 33 footer would likely go 12,000 lbs wet. Just shows ignorance is bliss.
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Just so you know, the truck is bone stock, with the exception of the hitch which weighed 69lbs. The combo weighed on CAT scales with trailer and LQ area set up for a trip, max tack and gear sans horses, with full fuel was good to go on all truck weight limits. With horses on board the pin actually got lighter. With two horses it was within GCWR, with 3 it was over GCWR, but still inside GVWR, and axle ratings. In the pic its loaded with 3 horses. So pulling little over 9k. It towed beautifully and I did this for 3 years, 3 to 4 weekends a month usually about 300 to 500 miles per trip all over the eastern US, midwest and upper south. We usually only towed 2 horses but short trips were sometimes done with 3.

I am pretty **** about not exceeding GAWR, and GVWR, the GCWR I will fudge a bit as its more about overheating and ability to maintain speed. The trailers brakes stop the trailer, and with the GN sway is much less an issue. Had we not wanted a bigger trailer, I would still have this one. The wife and kids wanted more creature comforts and we were going for longer durations, so we upsized truck and trailers to a SD and a big LQ 48ft trailer. Just for reference its pictured too, and yes you have to watch numbers with a SD too. The new truck like the 150 was selected for work, minimal options and maximum payload.


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^ doin it right! Both nice setups! The new one looks quite luxurious and definitely needed more than a 1/2 ton
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^ doin it right! Both nice setups! The new one looks quite luxurious and definitely needed more than a 1/2 ton
LOL, yeah the bottom one is 20k fully loaded to GVWR, and almost 14k empty. It runs on H load range 125psi 17.5 inch tires. The 6.7 tows it like a boss though. Fuel economy is ok at about 10 at 70 to 75 mph. Its more LQ than horse trailer really, the slide is 14ft long. 20ft of on the floor short wall side LQ, plus the nose. Just got done living in it for 2 weeks straight, got to say it was for sure worth it, and built far more heavy duty than a Fiver travel trailer.
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LOL, yeah the bottom one is 20k fully loaded to GVWR, and almost 14k empty. It runs on H load range 125psi 17.5 inch tires. The 6.7 tows it like a boss though. Fuel economy is ok at about 10 at 70 to 75 mph. Its more LQ than horse trailer really, the slide is 14ft long. 20ft of on the floor short wall side LQ, plus the nose. Just got done living in it for 2 weeks straight, got to say it was for sure worth it, and built far more heavy duty than a Fiver travel trailer.
Basically a cowboy's toy hauler.
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Basically a cowboy's toy hauler.
Yep, and one that after my kids are out of the house I can use as a toy hauler for non hoofed toys too! Got to love how these big horse trailers are built! So much lockable storage etc due to having to haul tack and horse gear.
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Originally Posted by 5.0GN tow View Post
Got to love how these big horse trailers are built!
All them features don't come cheap. That big live in trailer has to be at least $100K, maybe double that?
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