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So many 1/2 tons towing 5th wheels

Old 08-09-2018, 12:39 PM
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yeah, payload decreases quickly!
Trailer is for Mom and Dad! Put those tens in a tent!
Old 08-09-2018, 01:56 PM
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As a retired firefighter/EMT, it disappoints me to see statements like, "just pull over if you see an overloaded combo, what business is it yours?"
that kind of statement comes from someone who's never been a 1st responder.
we see all kinds of accidents where the driver exceeded their vehicle's capabilities and it results in deaths or injuries to innocent people. An overloaded combo is no different than someone driving impaired or at high speed. There's a higher percentage of something going wrong.
So, because of MY experiences, I'm a card carrying member of the weight police and proud of it.
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Old 08-09-2018, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bikendan
As a retired firefighter/EMT, it disappoints me to see statements like, "just pull over if you see an overloaded combo, what business is it yours?"
that kind of statement comes from someone who's never been a 1st responder.
we see all kinds of accidents where the driver exceeded their vehicle's capabilities and it results in deaths or injuries to innocent people. An overloaded combo is no different than someone driving impaired or at high speed. There's a higher percentage of something going wrong.
So, because of MY experiences, I'm a card carrying member of the weight police and proud of it.
That's todays mentality when it comes to pretty much everything. its ME, ME, ME, screw everyone else. You say something about someone doing something dangerous or illegal and you get jumped by the "who are you to judge' and "mind your own business it doesn't concern you" crowd. God forbid people are held accountable or encouraged to take some responsibility for their actions.
Old 08-09-2018, 03:02 PM
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The problem here is everyone's assuming a truck is overloaded simply because it's pulling a 5th wheel, I never stated ONE single time to do anything other than follow safety guidelines as issued per Ford. I never said anything about weight or load OTHER THAN to follow Ford's guidelines.

Ron White sure was right he said it can't be fixed and it's forever. I sure wish I had the ability to look at a trucks load and determine it's over weight, ya'll must be some kind of psychic.

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Old 08-09-2018, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rnlcomp
The problem here is everyone's assuming a truck is overloaded simply because it's pulling a 5th wheel, I never stated ONE single time to do anything other than follow safety guidelines as issued per Ford. I never said anything about weight or load OTHER THAN to follow Ford's guidelines.

Ron White sure was right he said it can't be fixed and it's forever. I sure wish I had the ability to look at a trucks load and determine it's over weight, ya'll must be some kind of psychic.

For those that wish to put words in my mouth,... well you know what you can do.
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Nobody is assuming that. You're the one assuming that we're assuming that. The posts have been about OVERSIZED 5th wheels that obviously are too much for a half-ton. It's not hard to tell, especially if you've gone shopping for them, and in many cases you can clearly see how badly the back of the truck is sagging. THAT is what we're talking about. Nobody has says that no half-ton can tow a 5th wheel, that's what YOU'RE ASUMMING we're talking about. Read the posts again. Again, nobody said a half-ton can't tow a 5th wheel. There are PLENTY of smaller 5th wheels that a half-ton can tow.

It was you who came in here saying everyone is ignorant, when it fact it was you who not only put words in people's mouths, but then went even further posting partial stats on trailer weights when payload is just as important, and probably the most important rating when towing. Your ignorance of payload requirements makes you both ignorant, and a hypocrite for calling people here ignorant in the first place. But you just keep coming back and making an *** of yourself... just give it up man, the damage is done.
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Originally Posted by Rnlcomp
The problem here is everyone's assuming a truck is overloaded simply because it's pulling a 5th wheel, I never stated ONE single time to do anything other than follow safety guidelines as issued per Ford. I never said anything about weight or load OTHER THAN to follow Ford's guidelines.

Ron White sure was right he said it can't be fixed and it's forever. I sure wish I had the ability to look at a trucks load and determine it's over weight, ya'll must be some kind of psychic.

For those that wish to put words in my mouth,... well you know what you can do.
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I believe people are assuming this only when they see extreme "vehicle differences" in a truck going down the road with the headlights pointing straight up in the air. Regardless of of bumper or 5th wheel towing. You can make a pretty fair assumption they're doing something they shouldn't.
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Old 08-09-2018, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TrailFox76
Shockingly I did find one that may work, but it certainly wasn't what I had in mind!

https://www.scamptrailers.com/showro...pped_rev_1_744

Had I only looked at the brochure and read the door sticker I would have been WWAAYY over on weight! Marketing materials and salesmen are all well and good, but the only way to really tell is to weight that puppy!
Interesting link. While the Scamper lists the tongue weight, it neither shows the dry nor wet weight of the camper. Also the 12 gal water tank is a joke. Lucky to get one shower. So for 4-people you'd have to camp with a water hookup, assuming it had a hot water heater.

I got my gooseneck on CL used, smallest one I could find, 24'. Only thing I've ever towed. Used it as my home for 5-6 months total for two winters.

My take on this thread's comments is the grossly overloaded trucks be they pulling a 5er or bumper. A few hundred pounds over likely isn't dangerous, whereas a few thousand over is scary. Lots of those scary tows on the road.
Old 08-09-2018, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Like2Hike
Interesting link. While the Scamper lists the tongue weight, it neither shows the dry nor wet weight of the camper. Also the 12 gal water tank is a joke. Lucky to get one shower. So for 4-people you'd have to camp with a water hookup, assuming it had a hot water heater.

I got my gooseneck on CL used, smallest one I could find, 24'. Only thing I've ever towed. Used it as my home for 5-6 months total for two winters.

My take on this thread's comments is the grossly overloaded trucks be they pulling a 5er or bumper. A few hundred pounds over likely isn't dangerous, whereas a few thousand over is scary. Lots of those scary tows on the road.
They do, it's in the description. 2400lb to 2900 dry I think it was on a 3500lb torsion axle so gross can't be much more than 3900.

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Originally Posted by Like2Hike
Interesting link. While the Scamper lists the tongue weight, it neither shows the dry nor wet weight of the camper. Also the 12 gal water tank is a joke. Lucky to get one shower. So for 4-people you'd have to camp with a water hookup, assuming it had a hot water heater.

I got my gooseneck on CL used, smallest one I could find, 24'. Only thing I've ever towed. Used it as my home for 5-6 months total for two winters.

My take on this thread's comments is the grossly overloaded trucks be they pulling a 5er or bumper. A few hundred pounds over likely isn't dangerous, whereas a few thousand over is scary. Lots of those scary tows on the road.
i wouldn’t even consider the scamper (my point) it was just the only one with a low enough pin weight for my set up. For my truck and family a ‘real’ 5er would be way overloaded.

I will have to look at goosenecks. I don’t typically travel with all 5 of us, and could definitely move some of the weight to the trailer. I have a 24’ bumper pull that I load up right and kiss the payload numbers. Does a gooseneck pull better than a bumper? Isn’t it the same idea (a ball)? Or does carrying the weight over the axle make it more stable?
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Originally Posted by Like2Hike
Interesting link. While the Scamper lists the tongue weight, it neither shows the dry nor wet weight of the camper. Also the 12 gal water tank is a joke. Lucky to get one shower. So for 4-people you'd have to camp with a water hookup, assuming it had a hot water heater.

I got my gooseneck on CL used, smallest one I could find, 24'. Only thing I've ever towed. Used it as my home for 5-6 months total for two winters.

My take on this thread's comments is the grossly overloaded trucks be they pulling a 5er or bumper. A few hundred pounds over likely isn't dangerous, whereas a few thousand over is scary. Lots of those scary tows on the road.
Originally Posted by duck9191
They do, it's in the description. 2400lb to 2900 dry I think it was on a 3500lb torsion axle so gross can't be much more than 3900.
i just have visions of a single axle like this hopping down the highway after hitting a bump.

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