Required Equipment? How much can it tow?
08-22-2017, 11:42 PM
#11
Senior Member
5,000 pounds.
More than 5,000 pounds requires a tow pkg, and you don't have a tow pkg. You have 53B which is just a receiver hitch and trailer wiring. The towing pkg 53A includes the auxiliary oil-to-air (OTA) tranny cooler and was a $995 option on your truck, but someone decided to keep the price of the truck down so they didn't order it for your truck. So you don't have a tranny cooler or the other bits and pieces that were part of the 53A towing pkg.
The max tow pkg requires the 3.5L EcoBoost engine, and you don't have that engine so you cannot have max tow.
Your F-150 will probably PULL a 7,600 pound trailer over hill and dale, but without the tow pkg you'll probably burn up the tranny at an early date.
More than 5,000 pounds requires a tow pkg, and you don't have a tow pkg. You have 53B which is just a receiver hitch and trailer wiring. The towing pkg 53A includes the auxiliary oil-to-air (OTA) tranny cooler and was a $995 option on your truck, but someone decided to keep the price of the truck down so they didn't order it for your truck. So you don't have a tranny cooler or the other bits and pieces that were part of the 53A towing pkg.
The max tow pkg requires the 3.5L EcoBoost engine, and you don't have that engine so you cannot have max tow.
Your F-150 will probably PULL a 7,600 pound trailer over hill and dale, but without the tow pkg you'll probably burn up the tranny at an early date.
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lhnkele (08-22-2017)
08-23-2017, 12:04 AM
#12
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Thanks again for your replies. I'm trying to help a friend but everyone is convinced it's 7600 lbs. i believe it's 5000, but it seems everyone else stops after the first page of data... before I shared my findings I wanted to put it out to the community to confirm what I thought was correct, or prove me wrong...
08-23-2017, 12:35 AM
#13
Senior Member
Thanks again for your replies. I'm trying to help a friend but everyone is convinced it's 7600 lbs. i believe it's 5000, but it seems everyone else stops after the first page of data... before I shared my findings I wanted to put it out to the community to confirm what I thought was correct, or prove me wrong...
I have a 2014 F150 Lariat with the 157" wheelbase.
Truck GVWR - 7350 lbs
Front GAWR - 4050 lbs
Rear GAWR - 3850 lbs
(Notice the two axles ratings total to more than the vehicle GVWR)
My truck salesmen told me I could pull 9000 lbs with it and I probably could. Not legally though. I showed him the "advertised" trailer weight I could pull was 7300 lbs. Again...not legally. I am allowed 13500 GCVWR going down the highway.....not legally. I will explain in a minute here.
We bought a 2017 Ultra light Bullet (by Keystone) 212RBS with a dry weight of 4450 lbs. All the bigger ones we looked at , the sales person said my truck would handle it no problem..of course. We put around 500 lbs of camping "stuff" in the trailer and all of a sudden I'm at my max rear axle GAWR. I've reached my limit WITH a WDH!!! So, legally I can tow a 5000 lb trailer as SmokeyWren has mentioned. Why? Well...my rear axle maxs out.
Planning weight:
Truck Curb Weight - 5716 lbs
Trailer GVW - 5000 lbs.
Passengers etc. - 360 lbs.
WDH - 100 lbs.
__________
Total - 11760 heading down the road. Legal?
Actually weight at scales:
Front GAW 3238 lbs
Rear GAW 3769 lbs
TrailerGAW 4475 lbs
________
Total 11482 lbs heading down the road . Yes!
I am legal with 65 lbs or so to the good on my rear truck axle. Now, that's with zero fluids in the trailer....I need to fill up my fresh water tank when I get there or go for hook ups. Adding fresh water will add around 420 lbs. I'd be illegal if I traveled full. Because my fresh water tank is ahead of my trailer axles bearing more than the 10-15% onto the tongue of my truck, therefore onto the rear of my axles. Even at 15% shifted to the rear axles with the fresh water, I MAY just squeak in being legal.
So, my limitation is my rear axle. NOT the GCVWR, NOT the GVWR of the trailer...my rear axle. I know where you are coming from.......but that door sticker is king. Anything over any of those ratings will or can be trouble for you.
Oh, one other thing I'm getting close to also. My payload. My payload on my truck is just over 1100 lbs. That includes passengers and cargo. 360 lbs and a tongue weight of almost 800 lbs put me JUST legal. I think payload and rear axle GVWR's are tied together quite closely.
I fell into the same trap many have. Bought the truck first, then looked for a trailer after. IF you are serious about traveling with a trailer...look for the trailer that will suit you....THEN look for a truck capable of pulling it safely and legally.
That Ford and RV sales person? They won't be held liable if you get into trouble with your setup. You will be. Yea...frustrating, isn't it?
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08-23-2017, 11:24 PM
#14
I'll try to explain my situation then...hope it helps .
I have a 2014 F150 Lariat with the 157" wheelbase.
Truck GVWR - 7350 lbs
Front GAWR - 4050 lbs
Rear GAWR - 3850 lbs
(Notice the two axles ratings total to more than the vehicle GVWR)
My truck salesmen told me I could pull 9000 lbs with it and I probably could. Not legally though. I showed him the "advertised" trailer weight I could pull was 7300 lbs. Again...not legally. I am allowed 13500 GCVWR going down the highway.....not legally. I will explain in a minute here.
We bought a 2017 Ultra light Bullet (by Keystone) 212RBS with a dry weight of 4450 lbs. All the bigger ones we looked at , the sales person said my truck would handle it no problem..of course. We put around 500 lbs of camping "stuff" in the trailer and all of a sudden I'm at my max rear axle GAWR. I've reached my limit WITH a WDH!!! So, legally I can tow a 5000 lb trailer as SmokeyWren has mentioned. Why? Well...my rear axle maxs out.
Planning weight:
Truck Curb Weight - 5716 lbs
Trailer GVW - 5000 lbs.
Passengers etc. - 360 lbs.
WDH - 100 lbs.
__________
Total - 11760 heading down the road. Legal?
Actually weight at scales:
Front GAW 3238 lbs
Rear GAW 3769 lbs
TrailerGAW 4475 lbs
________
Total 11482 lbs heading down the road . Yes!
I am legal with 65 lbs or so to the good on my rear truck axle. Now, that's with zero fluids in the trailer....I need to fill up my fresh water tank when I get there or go for hook ups. Adding fresh water will add around 420 lbs. I'd be illegal if I traveled full. Because my fresh water tank is ahead of my trailer axles bearing more than the 10-15% onto the tongue of my truck, therefore onto the rear of my axles. Even at 15% shifted to the rear axles with the fresh water, I MAY just squeak in being legal.
So, my limitation is my rear axle. NOT the GCVWR, NOT the GVWR of the trailer...my rear axle. I know where you are coming from.......but that door sticker is king. Anything over any of those ratings will or can be trouble for you.
Oh, one other thing I'm getting close to also. My payload. My payload on my truck is just over 1100 lbs. That includes passengers and cargo. 360 lbs and a tongue weight of almost 800 lbs put me JUST legal. I think payload and rear axle GVWR's are tied together quite closely.
I fell into the same trap many have. Bought the truck first, then looked for a trailer after. IF you are serious about traveling with a trailer...look for the trailer that will suit you....THEN look for a truck capable of pulling it safely and legally.
That Ford and RV sales person? They won't be held liable if you get into trouble with your setup. You will be. Yea...frustrating, isn't it?
I have a 2014 F150 Lariat with the 157" wheelbase.
Truck GVWR - 7350 lbs
Front GAWR - 4050 lbs
Rear GAWR - 3850 lbs
(Notice the two axles ratings total to more than the vehicle GVWR)
My truck salesmen told me I could pull 9000 lbs with it and I probably could. Not legally though. I showed him the "advertised" trailer weight I could pull was 7300 lbs. Again...not legally. I am allowed 13500 GCVWR going down the highway.....not legally. I will explain in a minute here.
We bought a 2017 Ultra light Bullet (by Keystone) 212RBS with a dry weight of 4450 lbs. All the bigger ones we looked at , the sales person said my truck would handle it no problem..of course. We put around 500 lbs of camping "stuff" in the trailer and all of a sudden I'm at my max rear axle GAWR. I've reached my limit WITH a WDH!!! So, legally I can tow a 5000 lb trailer as SmokeyWren has mentioned. Why? Well...my rear axle maxs out.
Planning weight:
Truck Curb Weight - 5716 lbs
Trailer GVW - 5000 lbs.
Passengers etc. - 360 lbs.
WDH - 100 lbs.
__________
Total - 11760 heading down the road. Legal?
Actually weight at scales:
Front GAW 3238 lbs
Rear GAW 3769 lbs
TrailerGAW 4475 lbs
________
Total 11482 lbs heading down the road . Yes!
I am legal with 65 lbs or so to the good on my rear truck axle. Now, that's with zero fluids in the trailer....I need to fill up my fresh water tank when I get there or go for hook ups. Adding fresh water will add around 420 lbs. I'd be illegal if I traveled full. Because my fresh water tank is ahead of my trailer axles bearing more than the 10-15% onto the tongue of my truck, therefore onto the rear of my axles. Even at 15% shifted to the rear axles with the fresh water, I MAY just squeak in being legal.
So, my limitation is my rear axle. NOT the GCVWR, NOT the GVWR of the trailer...my rear axle. I know where you are coming from.......but that door sticker is king. Anything over any of those ratings will or can be trouble for you.
Oh, one other thing I'm getting close to also. My payload. My payload on my truck is just over 1100 lbs. That includes passengers and cargo. 360 lbs and a tongue weight of almost 800 lbs put me JUST legal. I think payload and rear axle GVWR's are tied together quite closely.
I fell into the same trap many have. Bought the truck first, then looked for a trailer after. IF you are serious about traveling with a trailer...look for the trailer that will suit you....THEN look for a truck capable of pulling it safely and legally.
That Ford and RV sales person? They won't be held liable if you get into trouble with your setup. You will be. Yea...frustrating, isn't it?
Thanks so much for posting this, fellow F150 & Keystone Bullet owner here
I have a 2017 202BHSWE so a little lighter than yours (3976lbs dry). I got my 2017 F150 a couple of weeks ago after towing with something that clearly wasn't up to the task.Your post has eliminated overconfidence on my part however. I'd looked at the door sticker and saw the max tow weight and thought I'm well within my legal limits, while I am within them I'm glad I now know exactly how close I am, basically I'll be paying closer attention to weight, especially rear axle weight.
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Simnut (08-23-2017)
08-23-2017, 11:59 PM
#15
Senior Member
Thanks so much for posting this, fellow F150 & Keystone Bullet owner here I have a 2017 202BHSWE so a little lighter than yours (3976lbs dry). I got my 2017 F150 a couple of weeks ago after towing with something that clearly wasn't up to the task.
Your post has eliminated overconfidence on my part however. I'd looked at the door sticker and saw the max tow weight and thought I'm well within my legal limits, while I am within them I'm glad I now know exactly how close I am, basically I'll be paying closer attention to weight, especially rear axle weight.
I have a 2017 202BHSWE so a little lighter than yours (3976lbs dry). I got my 2017 F150 a couple of weeks ago after towing with something that clearly wasn't up to the task.Your post has eliminated overconfidence on my part however. I'd looked at the door sticker and saw the max tow weight and thought I'm well within my legal limits, while I am within them I'm glad I now know exactly how close I am, basically I'll be paying closer attention to weight, especially rear axle weight.
Glad you're all legal and ready to roll! Checked out your model and it looks cozy! We're heading out for a 4 day/3 night weekend. Second time out with this rig. And Elaine said she wants to drive to the campground this time. LOL I have this distinct feeling this old guy is gonna get a lot of relax time!
Have a great weekend y'all!
08-24-2017, 01:35 PM
#16
lhnkele, I'd highly recommend adding a supplementary transmission cooler if you'll be towing anywhere near the limits of your truck's capabilities, especially in hilly or mountainous areas. Transmission coolers are inexpensive, are a fairly simple DIY install or if you'd need to pay somebody to take care of the install, it wouldn't take long.
A cooler is a very inexpensive way to help protect your truck's transmission.
If you check out the link below, you can see a recommendation as well as links to some helpful articles that explain how transmission coolers work.
https://www.etrailer.com/expert-106.html
A cooler is a very inexpensive way to help protect your truck's transmission.
If you check out the link below, you can see a recommendation as well as links to some helpful articles that explain how transmission coolers work.
https://www.etrailer.com/expert-106.html
08-24-2017, 11:13 PM
#17
Senior Member
I'll try to explain my situation then...hope it helps .
I have a 2014 F150 Lariat with the 157" wheelbase.
Truck GVWR - 7350 lbs
Front GAWR - 4050 lbs
Rear GAWR - 3850 lbs
(Notice the two axles ratings total to more than the vehicle GVWR)
My truck salesmen told me I could pull 9000 lbs with it and I probably could. Not legally though. I showed him the "advertised" trailer weight I could pull was 7300 lbs. Again...not legally. I am allowed 13500 GCVWR going down the highway.....not legally. I will explain in a minute here.
We bought a 2017 Ultra light Bullet (by Keystone) 212RBS with a dry weight of 4450 lbs. All the bigger ones we looked at , the sales person said my truck would handle it no problem..of course. We put around 500 lbs of camping "stuff" in the trailer and all of a sudden I'm at my max rear axle GAWR. I've reached my limit WITH a WDH!!! So, legally I can tow a 5000 lb trailer as SmokeyWren has mentioned. Why? Well...my rear axle maxs out.
Planning weight:
Truck Curb Weight - 5716 lbs
Trailer GVW - 5000 lbs.
Passengers etc. - 360 lbs.
WDH - 100 lbs.
__________
Total - 11760 heading down the road. Legal?
Actually weight at scales:
Front GAW 3238 lbs
Rear GAW 3769 lbs
TrailerGAW 4475 lbs
________
Total 11482 lbs heading down the road . Yes!
I am legal with 65 lbs or so to the good on my rear truck axle. Now, that's with zero fluids in the trailer....I need to fill up my fresh water tank when I get there or go for hook ups. Adding fresh water will add around 420 lbs. I'd be illegal if I traveled full. Because my fresh water tank is ahead of my trailer axles bearing more than the 10-15% onto the tongue of my truck, therefore onto the rear of my axles. Even at 15% shifted to the rear axles with the fresh water, I MAY just squeak in being legal.
So, my limitation is my rear axle. NOT the GCVWR, NOT the GVWR of the trailer...my rear axle. I know where you are coming from.......but that door sticker is king. Anything over any of those ratings will or can be trouble for you.
Oh, one other thing I'm getting close to also. My payload. My payload on my truck is just over 1100 lbs. That includes passengers and cargo. 360 lbs and a tongue weight of almost 800 lbs put me JUST legal. I think payload and rear axle GVWR's are tied together quite closely.
I fell into the same trap many have. Bought the truck first, then looked for a trailer after. IF you are serious about traveling with a trailer...look for the trailer that will suit you....THEN look for a truck capable of pulling it safely and legally.
That Ford and RV sales person? They won't be held liable if you get into trouble with your setup. You will be. Yea...frustrating, isn't it?
I have a 2014 F150 Lariat with the 157" wheelbase.
Truck GVWR - 7350 lbs
Front GAWR - 4050 lbs
Rear GAWR - 3850 lbs
(Notice the two axles ratings total to more than the vehicle GVWR)
My truck salesmen told me I could pull 9000 lbs with it and I probably could. Not legally though. I showed him the "advertised" trailer weight I could pull was 7300 lbs. Again...not legally. I am allowed 13500 GCVWR going down the highway.....not legally. I will explain in a minute here.
We bought a 2017 Ultra light Bullet (by Keystone) 212RBS with a dry weight of 4450 lbs. All the bigger ones we looked at , the sales person said my truck would handle it no problem..of course. We put around 500 lbs of camping "stuff" in the trailer and all of a sudden I'm at my max rear axle GAWR. I've reached my limit WITH a WDH!!! So, legally I can tow a 5000 lb trailer as SmokeyWren has mentioned. Why? Well...my rear axle maxs out.
Planning weight:
Truck Curb Weight - 5716 lbs
Trailer GVW - 5000 lbs.
Passengers etc. - 360 lbs.
WDH - 100 lbs.
__________
Total - 11760 heading down the road. Legal?
Actually weight at scales:
Front GAW 3238 lbs
Rear GAW 3769 lbs
TrailerGAW 4475 lbs
________
Total 11482 lbs heading down the road . Yes!
I am legal with 65 lbs or so to the good on my rear truck axle. Now, that's with zero fluids in the trailer....I need to fill up my fresh water tank when I get there or go for hook ups. Adding fresh water will add around 420 lbs. I'd be illegal if I traveled full. Because my fresh water tank is ahead of my trailer axles bearing more than the 10-15% onto the tongue of my truck, therefore onto the rear of my axles. Even at 15% shifted to the rear axles with the fresh water, I MAY just squeak in being legal.
So, my limitation is my rear axle. NOT the GCVWR, NOT the GVWR of the trailer...my rear axle. I know where you are coming from.......but that door sticker is king. Anything over any of those ratings will or can be trouble for you.
Oh, one other thing I'm getting close to also. My payload. My payload on my truck is just over 1100 lbs. That includes passengers and cargo. 360 lbs and a tongue weight of almost 800 lbs put me JUST legal. I think payload and rear axle GVWR's are tied together quite closely.
I fell into the same trap many have. Bought the truck first, then looked for a trailer after. IF you are serious about traveling with a trailer...look for the trailer that will suit you....THEN look for a truck capable of pulling it safely and legally.
That Ford and RV sales person? They won't be held liable if you get into trouble with your setup. You will be. Yea...frustrating, isn't it?
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Simnut (08-25-2017)
08-25-2017, 05:00 PM
#18
I'll try to explain my situation then...hope it helps .
I have a 2014 F150 Lariat with the 157" wheelbase.
Truck GVWR - 7350 lbs
Front GAWR - 4050 lbs
Rear GAWR - 3850 lbs
(Notice the two axles ratings total to more than the vehicle GVWR)
My truck salesmen told me I could pull 9000 lbs with it and I probably could. Not legally though. I showed him the "advertised" trailer weight I could pull was 7300 lbs. Again...not legally. I am allowed 13500 GCVWR going down the highway.....not legally. I will explain in a minute here.
We bought a 2017 Ultra light Bullet (by Keystone) 212RBS with a dry weight of 4450 lbs. All the bigger ones we looked at , the sales person said my truck would handle it no problem..of course. We put around 500 lbs of camping "stuff" in the trailer and all of a sudden I'm at my max rear axle GAWR. I've reached my limit WITH a WDH!!! So, legally I can tow a 5000 lb trailer as SmokeyWren has mentioned. Why? Well...my rear axle maxs out.
Planning weight:
Truck Curb Weight - 5716 lbs
Trailer GVW - 5000 lbs.
Passengers etc. - 360 lbs.
WDH - 100 lbs.
__________
Total - 11760 heading down the road. Legal?
Actually weight at scales:
Front GAW 3238 lbs
Rear GAW 3769 lbs
TrailerGAW 4475 lbs
________
Total 11482 lbs heading down the road . Yes!
I am legal with 65 lbs or so to the good on my rear truck axle. Now, that's with zero fluids in the trailer....I need to fill up my fresh water tank when I get there or go for hook ups. Adding fresh water will add around 420 lbs. I'd be illegal if I traveled full. Because my fresh water tank is ahead of my trailer axles bearing more than the 10-15% onto the tongue of my truck, therefore onto the rear of my axles. Even at 15% shifted to the rear axles with the fresh water, I MAY just squeak in being legal.
So, my limitation is my rear axle. NOT the GCVWR, NOT the GVWR of the trailer...my rear axle. I know where you are coming from.......but that door sticker is king. Anything over any of those ratings will or can be trouble for you.
Oh, one other thing I'm getting close to also. My payload. My payload on my truck is just over 1100 lbs. That includes passengers and cargo. 360 lbs and a tongue weight of almost 800 lbs put me JUST legal. I think payload and rear axle GVWR's are tied together quite closely.
I fell into the same trap many have. Bought the truck first, then looked for a trailer after. IF you are serious about traveling with a trailer...look for the trailer that will suit you....THEN look for a truck capable of pulling it safely and legally.
That Ford and RV sales person? They won't be held liable if you get into trouble with your setup. You will be. Yea...frustrating, isn't it?
I have a 2014 F150 Lariat with the 157" wheelbase.
Truck GVWR - 7350 lbs
Front GAWR - 4050 lbs
Rear GAWR - 3850 lbs
(Notice the two axles ratings total to more than the vehicle GVWR)
My truck salesmen told me I could pull 9000 lbs with it and I probably could. Not legally though. I showed him the "advertised" trailer weight I could pull was 7300 lbs. Again...not legally. I am allowed 13500 GCVWR going down the highway.....not legally. I will explain in a minute here.
We bought a 2017 Ultra light Bullet (by Keystone) 212RBS with a dry weight of 4450 lbs. All the bigger ones we looked at , the sales person said my truck would handle it no problem..of course. We put around 500 lbs of camping "stuff" in the trailer and all of a sudden I'm at my max rear axle GAWR. I've reached my limit WITH a WDH!!! So, legally I can tow a 5000 lb trailer as SmokeyWren has mentioned. Why? Well...my rear axle maxs out.
Planning weight:
Truck Curb Weight - 5716 lbs
Trailer GVW - 5000 lbs.
Passengers etc. - 360 lbs.
WDH - 100 lbs.
__________
Total - 11760 heading down the road. Legal?
Actually weight at scales:
Front GAW 3238 lbs
Rear GAW 3769 lbs
TrailerGAW 4475 lbs
________
Total 11482 lbs heading down the road . Yes!
I am legal with 65 lbs or so to the good on my rear truck axle. Now, that's with zero fluids in the trailer....I need to fill up my fresh water tank when I get there or go for hook ups. Adding fresh water will add around 420 lbs. I'd be illegal if I traveled full. Because my fresh water tank is ahead of my trailer axles bearing more than the 10-15% onto the tongue of my truck, therefore onto the rear of my axles. Even at 15% shifted to the rear axles with the fresh water, I MAY just squeak in being legal.
So, my limitation is my rear axle. NOT the GCVWR, NOT the GVWR of the trailer...my rear axle. I know where you are coming from.......but that door sticker is king. Anything over any of those ratings will or can be trouble for you.
Oh, one other thing I'm getting close to also. My payload. My payload on my truck is just over 1100 lbs. That includes passengers and cargo. 360 lbs and a tongue weight of almost 800 lbs put me JUST legal. I think payload and rear axle GVWR's are tied together quite closely.
I fell into the same trap many have. Bought the truck first, then looked for a trailer after. IF you are serious about traveling with a trailer...look for the trailer that will suit you....THEN look for a truck capable of pulling it safely and legally.
That Ford and RV sales person? They won't be held liable if you get into trouble with your setup. You will be. Yea...frustrating, isn't it?