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Ranger DOES have a 750 lbs Weight Carrying tongue weight
I was at the ford dealer picking up some parts for the F150 yesterday and got a chance to look at a ranger. I took a peak under the rear and it clearly states that the Weight Carrying tongue weight limit is 750 lbs.
I still say it has to do with J2807 and where the F150 tested at. If the distance between the bumper and axle centerline is shorter than the F150, that can have something to do with it.
I still say it has to do with J2807 and where the F150 tested at. If the distance between the bumper and axle centerline is shorter than the F150, that can have something to do with it.
The dimensions are known and they indicate that the F150 should handle unladen weight better than the ranger.
Acidii, here are you numbers. Do you think they support your position?
F150 Supercrew,
49.1 inches of rear overhang, and either 145.0 or 156.8 inches of wheelbase, and curb weights begin at 5k lbs.
Ranger Supercrew,
48.2 inches of rear overhang, and either 126.8 inches of wheelbase, and curb weights begin at 4k lbs.
My personal opinion is that the above numbers indicate that the 2015-2019 F150s should bear undistribuuted weight better than the 2019 Ford Ranger.
Agree: The wheelbase difference is significant and overhang difference is close (.9"). If these numbers were a factor in weight carrying capacity then the different wheelbases and beds would yield different weight carrying capacities. You would also have some sort of defined dimensional requirement for how far the ball sits behind the receiver. This subject can be argued on a technical level forever and never be resolved because (IMO) the numbers are pure BS anyway and driven by a marketing group.
Agree: The wheelbase difference is significant and overhang difference is close (.9"). If these numbers were a factor in weight carrying capacity then the different wheelbases and beds would yield different weight carrying capacities. You would also have some sort of defined dimensional requirement for how far the ball sits behind the receiver. This subject can be argued on a technical level forever and never be resolved because (IMO) the numbers are pure BS anyway and driven by a marketing group.
Someone should double check my math, of course.
A 750 lbs tongue weight on the longer wheelbase F150 should take ~235 lbs off the front axle. That is ~8% off the unladen front axle weight of an F150s (using 3k lbs FAW).
A 750 lbs tongue weight on a ranger should take ~285 lbs off the front axle. That is perhaps 11% off the unladen front axle weight of a 2019 Ford Ranger (using 2540 lbs FAW).
The F150 had less weight removed from its front axle expressed as a percentage of its bare FAW, and had more FAW left after being lightened by the 750 lbs tongue weight. My personal opinion and conclusion is still that the 2015-2019 Ford F150s should be expected to handle undistributed weight better than the 2019 Ranger.
What your math isn't showing though is the understeer/oversteer per J2807. This is what sets the maximum tongue weight for weight carrying. Now, maybe OTOH, the Ranger is NOT setup per J2807, then Ford can put what ever numbers they want on it.
The test vehicle needs to meet certain criteria per J2807.
Maybe the Ranger meets this at 750 when the F150 cannot?
It doesn't make any practical sense otherwise to have 250 more weight carrying on a widdle iddy biddy truck than a big half ton.
What your math isn't showing though is the understeer/oversteer per J2807. This is what sets the maximum tongue weight for weight carrying. Now, maybe OTOH, the Ranger is NOT setup per J2807, then Ford can put what ever numbers they want on it.
The test vehicle needs to meet certain criteria per J2807.
Maybe the Ranger meets this at 750 when the F150 cannot?
It doesn't make any practical sense otherwise to have 250 more weight carrying on a widdle iddy biddy truck than a big half ton.
Do you know if SAE J2807 sets a true maximum, or does it just set a passing values? What I mean is, if the highest GCW that a truck will pass SAE J2807 is for example 10000 lbs, am I required to put on a GCWR of 10000, or am I allowed to put my GCWR at 9000 if for marketing reasons I decide that is better?
What your math isn't showing though is the understeer/oversteer per J2807. This is what sets the maximum tongue weight for weight carrying. Now, maybe OTOH, the Ranger is NOT setup per J2807, then Ford can put what ever numbers they want on it.
The test vehicle needs to meet certain criteria per J2807.
Maybe the Ranger meets this at 750 when the F150 cannot?
It doesn't make any practical sense otherwise to have 250 more weight carrying on a widdle iddy biddy truck than a big half ton.
The 500 lb limit has been around long before the F150 was tested to J2807. That did not start until 2015 MY.
06-04-2019, 01:30 PM
Ranger DOES have a 750 lbs Weight Carrying tongue weight
