Newbie. Need Towing Advice
11-30-2018, 10:28 AM
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1154 Payload
Combine trailer and sleds 6600 - 13% of this weight in on the truck as tongue weight - so it takes 858 of your payload - need a WDH which is about 100 pounds as well.
4 guys @ 200 pounds = 800 pounds
1154 - 858 - 100 - 800 = -604
You would be 604 pounds over payload which is a lot.
If you really want to get a F150 - look for a higher payload - the 2015+ trucks have significantly higher payloads due to the aluminum body. Or look for an XLT (less options = less weight) or a truck with Max Payload - which will be a challenge when buying used.
I feel your pain - my 2013 Fx4 has a payload of 1201
Combine trailer and sleds 6600 - 13% of this weight in on the truck as tongue weight - so it takes 858 of your payload - need a WDH which is about 100 pounds as well.
4 guys @ 200 pounds = 800 pounds
1154 - 858 - 100 - 800 = -604
You would be 604 pounds over payload which is a lot.
If you really want to get a F150 - look for a higher payload - the 2015+ trucks have significantly higher payloads due to the aluminum body. Or look for an XLT (less options = less weight) or a truck with Max Payload - which will be a challenge when buying used.
I feel your pain - my 2013 Fx4 has a payload of 1201
My family is very handy and we've always added the helper springs for overloads. Im aware this doesn't technially and legally raise the payload. But for my own agenda wouldnt that raise the payload.
11-30-2018, 10:46 AM
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It is flat out dangerous.
No, helper springs do not raise your payload, either legally or otherwise. They simply lift the back of the truck.
It is likely that if you hit a weigh station, you will be required to stop driving due to being so far over capacity. And get cited.
You are risking the lives of others, not just you and your friends.
The truck you are considering is not the right truck for your intended use.
As you can see, your "Ford rates" comment bears no resemblance to the actual payload of the vehicle you are considering...
And that's using the 2,000 pounds of cargo. Raise that by 400 pounds and you're another 50 pounds over payload. And don't forget gas at 6 pounds per gallon, food, drinks, all of which needs to go in the trailer.
Look elsewhere, this is not the F-150 you are looking for...
No, helper springs do not raise your payload, either legally or otherwise. They simply lift the back of the truck.
It is likely that if you hit a weigh station, you will be required to stop driving due to being so far over capacity. And get cited.
You are risking the lives of others, not just you and your friends.
The truck you are considering is not the right truck for your intended use.
As you can see, your "Ford rates" comment bears no resemblance to the actual payload of the vehicle you are considering...
And that's using the 2,000 pounds of cargo. Raise that by 400 pounds and you're another 50 pounds over payload. And don't forget gas at 6 pounds per gallon, food, drinks, all of which needs to go in the trailer.
Look elsewhere, this is not the F-150 you are looking for...
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11-30-2018, 11:43 AM
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That is a heavy 27ft trailer. Is it steel?
We have an aluminum 29ft sled trailer and it weighed like 2400lbs empty. Its been fully insulated and many extras added like furnace, etc. We usually tow it with a GM 2500, but may use my F150 this year. The only hesitation is the 50 mph cross winds that sometimes happen in the Dakotas. Im not concerned with weight at all.
Where do you usually tow?
We have an aluminum 29ft sled trailer and it weighed like 2400lbs empty. Its been fully insulated and many extras added like furnace, etc. We usually tow it with a GM 2500, but may use my F150 this year. The only hesitation is the 50 mph cross winds that sometimes happen in the Dakotas. Im not concerned with weight at all.
Where do you usually tow?
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11-30-2018, 12:18 PM
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That is a heavy 27ft trailer. Is it steel?
We have an aluminum 29ft sled trailer and it weighed like 2400lbs empty. Its been fully insulated and many extras added like furnace, etc. We usually tow it with a GM 2500, but may use my F150 this year. The only hesitation is the 50 mph cross winds that sometimes happen in the Dakotas. Im not concerned with weight at all.
Where do you usually tow?
We have an aluminum 29ft sled trailer and it weighed like 2400lbs empty. Its been fully insulated and many extras added like furnace, etc. We usually tow it with a GM 2500, but may use my F150 this year. The only hesitation is the 50 mph cross winds that sometimes happen in the Dakotas. Im not concerned with weight at all.
Where do you usually tow?
Since you mentioned your trailer i'll say this. Ive looked up newer aluminum trailers, and even the large 4 place trailers are at that 2400lb mark. Which when i do the math would be at the max payload for this specific platinum, and its crossed my mind to just get a different trailer as there cheaper than a 250.
Im in Michigan and tow to the nothern L.P. and the U.P.
11-30-2018, 12:20 PM
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Just my opinion here, but you aren't likely to get pulled over pulling a trailer with a pick up in most areas unless you have something obviously dangerous. In Illinois they tend to focus more on commercial trucks and trailer, for example I had a co-worker get pulled over for towing a backhoe with a grain truck with ag plates well off his farm ground.
What will get you in trouble is if you have a wreck. I once posted has "anyone heard of a case where someone got sued for being over weight with a pick up and trailer". Of course a bunch of people posted links to stories and court cases where people did get sued for being overweight on a pickup.
What will get you in trouble is if you have a wreck. I once posted has "anyone heard of a case where someone got sued for being over weight with a pick up and trailer". Of course a bunch of people posted links to stories and court cases where people did get sued for being overweight on a pickup.
11-30-2018, 12:37 PM
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The math: 1154 (payload)-601(tongue weight at 2420 trailer + 2200 sleds)-100 (hitch)- 800(ppl)= -347 for the max id ever pull, even if I had 3 sleds and +200 payload with 2 sleds
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11-30-2018, 01:11 PM
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Can someone also explain why the gcwr and its tow rating means less than the payload. Because by the gcwr and the tow rating it should pull my trailer as it sits right now no problem but not when you figure payload
11-30-2018, 01:24 PM
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Payload is just GVWR - The Curb weight of the truck. You, happened to pick a truck with a very high curb weight so options like fancy massaging seats and power running boards are eating into your GVWR.
You would most likely be fine pulling the trailer, but why set yourself up for issues? Find a truck with the payload you need, even better if it has a bit of headroom, and that way when an extra buddy comes along or you have an extra sled in the trailer your not even farther over ratings.
11-30-2018, 01:30 PM
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They all factor in - and in order to be within Ford's towing guidelines you can not exceed any of the ratings on the truck, GCWR, GVWR, RAWR, Hitch Rating etc etc. With a 1/2 Ton Platform it really is a balancing game to get weights right so you stay within the specs.
Payload is just GVWR - The Curb weight of the truck. You, happened to pick a truck with a very high curb weight so options like fancy massaging seats and power running boards are eating into your GVWR.
You would most likely be fine pulling the trailer, but why set yourself up for issues? Find a truck with the payload you need, even better if it has a bit of headroom, and that way when an extra buddy comes along or you have an extra sled in the trailer your not even farther over ratings.
Payload is just GVWR - The Curb weight of the truck. You, happened to pick a truck with a very high curb weight so options like fancy massaging seats and power running boards are eating into your GVWR.
You would most likely be fine pulling the trailer, but why set yourself up for issues? Find a truck with the payload you need, even better if it has a bit of headroom, and that way when an extra buddy comes along or you have an extra sled in the trailer your not even farther over ratings.
Last edited by Platinum4me; 11-30-2018 at 01:33 PM.