New Trailer Towing is scary
05-16-2015, 02:35 PM
#21
I don't understand why you wouldn't get a 3.4 ton for towing this heavy. Being just barely in the legal range to tow makes me edgy. I always go overkill when towing heavier loads. I don't get the half ton towable 5th wheel trailers either. Makes no sense to have a trailer just barley under your max towable weight but none of this helps so I will add a properly setup wd hitch will help as will airbags for stabilizing the truck.
Have had 2 F350 dually's and a F450 dually but when the new lisencing laws came into effect here in Québec Canada it became ridiculous (Log Book - scales- fuel pemits + thousands of dollars to do about 2000 miles per season)to own anything more than a F150.
05-16-2015, 06:40 PM
#22
Yeah, that's nice - but the first thing to start with is the PAYLOAD CAPACITY!!!
What is the payload capacity on the yellow tire sticker???????
And - what is the tongue weight of your loaded trailer????
If you've got an 1800+ lb payload capacity, then you're in good shape there.
However, you'll have to take it to the scales loaded up to see if the rear GAWR is okay.
And, you'll have to make sure your WDH head and tongue weight aren't blowing by your hitch's rating (on the sticker on the hitch under the rear bumper). I'm pretty sure the hitch rating limit for your 2013 Max Tow will be 1150 lb weight on the tongue. If your WDH head weighs about 50 lbs, then that leaves 1100 lbs for the max tongue weight of your trailer. If your trailer is 10,000 lbs then you can have a max tongue weight of 11% of the loaded trailer weight - that's okay, but toward the minimum side.
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Last edited by KR Kodi; 05-16-2015 at 06:45 PM.
05-16-2015, 06:53 PM
#23
Senior Member
Glad you live in Canada, Ted....
05-17-2015, 10:57 AM
#24
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So cutting corners putting everyone else on the road in danger because you don't want to take the time to do it right?
Pretty much the jist of it. My neighbor was like that. Pulled anything that fit on his trailer. Dragging the ball on the ground he was sol overloaded. Now he is in a legal battle that will last for years. he overloaded, it came apart and no someone else is crippled fro the rest of their life because he too was way smarter than all the manufacturer weight rating. he will spend every dollar he has to fight and in the end he will loose.
05-17-2015, 12:52 PM
#25
Yeah, that's nice - but the first thing to start with is the PAYLOAD CAPACITY!!!
What is the payload capacity on the yellow tire sticker???????
And - what is the tongue weight of your loaded trailer????
If you've got an 1800+ lb payload capacity, then you're in good shape there.
However, you'll have to take it to the scales loaded up to see if the rear GAWR is okay.
And, you'll have to make sure your WDH head and tongue weight aren't blowing by your hitch's rating (on the sticker on the hitch under the rear bumper). I'm pretty sure the hitch rating limit for your 2013 Max Tow will be 1150 lb weight on the tongue. If your WDH head weighs about 50 lbs, then that leaves 1100 lbs for the max tongue weight of your trailer. If your trailer is 10,000 lbs then you can have a max tongue weight of 11% of the loaded trailer weight - that's okay, but toward the minimum side.
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What is the payload capacity on the yellow tire sticker???????
And - what is the tongue weight of your loaded trailer????
If you've got an 1800+ lb payload capacity, then you're in good shape there.
However, you'll have to take it to the scales loaded up to see if the rear GAWR is okay.
And, you'll have to make sure your WDH head and tongue weight aren't blowing by your hitch's rating (on the sticker on the hitch under the rear bumper). I'm pretty sure the hitch rating limit for your 2013 Max Tow will be 1150 lb weight on the tongue. If your WDH head weighs about 50 lbs, then that leaves 1100 lbs for the max tongue weight of your trailer. If your trailer is 10,000 lbs then you can have a max tongue weight of 11% of the loaded trailer weight - that's okay, but toward the minimum side.
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Payaload cap is 1565lbs on the yellow tire sticker.heading out to load the trailer and truck and then re=adjust the WDH and road test
Last edited by TedF150; 05-17-2015 at 01:04 PM.
05-17-2015, 01:01 PM
#26
So cutting corners putting everyone else on the road in danger because you don't want to take the time to do it right?
Pretty much the jist of it. My neighbor was like that. Pulled anything that fit on his trailer. Dragging the ball on the ground he was sol overloaded. Now he is in a legal battle that will last for years. he overloaded, it came apart and no someone else is crippled fro the rest of their life because he too was way smarter than all the manufacturer weight rating. he will spend every dollar he has to fight and in the end he will loose.
Pretty much the jist of it. My neighbor was like that. Pulled anything that fit on his trailer. Dragging the ball on the ground he was sol overloaded. Now he is in a legal battle that will last for years. he overloaded, it came apart and no someone else is crippled fro the rest of their life because he too was way smarter than all the manufacturer weight rating. he will spend every dollar he has to fight and in the end he will loose.
Really...Flaming me. FYI I towed a 20' enclosed trailer with the same car in with no issues at all before I purchased this 30' trailer that meet my needs and weight capacitys.Bought and had the WDH installed at a shop as to make sure everything was done right.On my first outing found that the front end of the truck was un-stable and stayed Under 50mph we it felt comfortable for all of the 10 miles I had to drive.Called the Hitch shop and was told I needed a antisway installed and decedid to ask for help here before installing something that I did not feel would slove the problem.Obviously the Hitch shop should have done the adjustments with the trailer loaded but I thoughtthey knew what they we doing.Got some good info from this forum and printed out the manafacturers install instructions and will now start the set up from the beginning and road test to see the difference.If all works out great if not the I will continue to look for answers but not from you.
05-17-2015, 01:02 PM
#27
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You want: "The combined weight of occupants an cargo not to exceed..."
05-17-2015, 01:04 PM
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05-17-2015, 01:50 PM
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Get better tires.
Best thing I did for my truck stability was getting 10 ply tires.
Pulls like a champ and steers correctly. make sure your trailer braking is setup as that is the weak spot on a half ton.
Best thing I did for my truck stability was getting 10 ply tires.
Pulls like a champ and steers correctly. make sure your trailer braking is setup as that is the weak spot on a half ton.
05-17-2015, 03:04 PM
#30
Okay - a little light, but maybe okay.
If, as in my previous example, you have an 1100 lb tongue weight, and your WDH head weighs 50 lbs, then you'll have 1150 lbs on your hitch (which I'm pretty sure is the max limit of your hitch receiver).
If you have 1150 lbs on your hitch, you'll have 1565 minus 1150 remaining for people and stuff in the cab and bed - that's 415 lbs.
So....if you travel with a light load in the cab and bed, you should be good pulling a 10,000 lb trailer with an 11% (1100 lbs) tongue weight.
However....you'll need to check your rear GAWR to see how it's doing.
I think your GCWR is probably okay. You said the truck's GVWR 7700 lbs. If you have 415 lbs in the cab/bed, with a 50 lb WDH head and 1100 lb tongue weight, you'll be right at your 7700 GVWR.
If you are at your 7700 lb GVWR when the trailer is hooked up, before you attach the trailer and add 1100 lbs of tongue weight, the truck loaded up and ready to tow would weigh 6600 lbs.
If the loaded truck is 6600 lbs, and the trailer is 10,000 lbs, the total weight of your rig would be 16,600 lbs. Is that less than the CGWR published for your truck??
Bottom line - you can see that the 11,300 max trailer weight in the "sales" brochure is a fictitious/mythical/BS number. It's only accurate for a plain Jane/zero options/base trim level truck with nothing in it while towing except for a skinny 150 lb driver.
Your truck may be able to pull a 10,000 lb trailer with a very light load in the cab/bed of your truck, but you'll be right at weight rating limits.
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