Need help- can I tow one of these campers?
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Need help- can I tow one of these campers?
New to the forum and want to thank everyone for the help in advance. Have a 2018 f150 screw, 3.5 eco with max duty tow package (12,800 pd tow capacity). Payload is a measly 1500 because I loaded up on options (hindsight 20/20 I would drop 2 of them that probably account for 400 pounds of lost payload). GCWR 18400, 4050 gawr rear, 3600 gawr front. weighed the truck today with all occupants and gear that will be riding when towing and I have 1060 pounds left of payload to handle the camper we buy. (Note my steer axle was 3400- that seems REALLY close to the max already and I have a stock truck- what’s the deal with that and should I be concerned once I load up a camper?)
Here are three campers we have looked at:
jayco jay feather 25bh- 5200 pounds dry, 650 tongue weight (per manufacturer) under 30’ tip to tip
Highlander ultra light open range ut2802bh- 6200 dry, 510 tongue (per manufacturer) 32’ tip to tip
Jayco white hawk 29bh- 7100 dry, 730 tongue (per manufacturer) 34’ tip to tip
Any advice on what I can comfortably tow? Even if weight wise I am ok, I don’t want to get a camper that is going to push the truck around if that makes sense. We have been very cautious when buying gear for the camper as to weight, but to be conservative I am thinking 1000 pounds for gear stored in the camper. I don’t know what the rule of thumb is for how much tongue weight that adds? I will be using a WDH, either blue ox or 4-point equalizer. Thanks in advance for your advice.
Here are three campers we have looked at:
jayco jay feather 25bh- 5200 pounds dry, 650 tongue weight (per manufacturer) under 30’ tip to tip
Highlander ultra light open range ut2802bh- 6200 dry, 510 tongue (per manufacturer) 32’ tip to tip
Jayco white hawk 29bh- 7100 dry, 730 tongue (per manufacturer) 34’ tip to tip
Any advice on what I can comfortably tow? Even if weight wise I am ok, I don’t want to get a camper that is going to push the truck around if that makes sense. We have been very cautious when buying gear for the camper as to weight, but to be conservative I am thinking 1000 pounds for gear stored in the camper. I don’t know what the rule of thumb is for how much tongue weight that adds? I will be using a WDH, either blue ox or 4-point equalizer. Thanks in advance for your advice.
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Sounds like your proceeding cautiously which is good. I’m not going to tell you that one of the bigger trailers will work. You’ve done a lot of math and can figure that out. I will say the Jayco BH is probably a good bet. I own a 2018 f150 3.5 with Max Tow and pull a Rockwood 2304DS which weighs in at about 5650 dry, a bit over 7000 lbs loaded. That combined with another 850 lbs between myself, wife, dogs, fuel, and gear in the truck bed I don’t see any significant issues. I have a slightly higher max truck carry capacity whereas you have a HDDP payload package and lower weight carry. I still think you would be within limits. Going to a larger 6200 dry likely means up to 7500 loaded. You definitely need to watch the truck loaded weights.
Hope this info helps a bit.
Hope this info helps a bit.
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+1 to tuckr2's comments but I will add. I do think he meant you have the Max Tow, not HDPP. If you take the GVWR of the TT and use 10 to 11% of that as tongue weight you will get a better approximation of what it will actually be. I.E. the Highland Ridge(?) UT2802bh has a GVWR of 7450 so figure 750 to 825 lbs on the tongue. (1500-825=675) Of course only when loaded on a scale will you know for sure. The way you were looking at is akin to a RV salesman using the numbers to push a sale. This way is more conservative but safety first.
My two cents.... I'm partial to the Highland, they are on my short list for my next trailer. I think they are built better mechanically, structurally and to pull. Notice the published tongue weight is a lower percentage of the dry weight compared to the others. Also in the end I think you will find more usable space.
My two cents.... I'm partial to the Highland, they are on my short list for my next trailer. I think they are built better mechanically, structurally and to pull. Notice the published tongue weight is a lower percentage of the dry weight compared to the others. Also in the end I think you will find more usable space.
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tuckr2 (05-27-2018)
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You’re asking the right questions but the answer is not so easy to determine. Staying within manufactures limits is a good start but try to stay away from the very edge. You may want to consider using the trailer GVWR as a reference instead of dry weight and then assume at least 13% of tongue weight based on GVWR. Which one will tow comfortably is going to depend on the individual characteristics of each trailer not just GVW. It’s weight distribution by design (floorplan) is important as is how you load additional items. Watch out for no name, poor quality tires on the trailer and negotiate a change if needed. You didn’t mention the wheelbase of the truck but the longer the better, the trend here seems to be the shorter 145 in. WB trucks are a bit more sensitive. Based on weight and dimensions, the 25BH would be my choice.
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Gladehound (05-27-2018)
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Ignore the printed tongue weights and calculate 12-15% of GVWR for each trailer, that will give you tongue weight on a max loaded version of said trailer. That should give you your answer.
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You’re asking the right questions but the answer is not so easy to determine. Staying within manufactures limits is a good start but try to stay away from the very edge. You may want to consider using the trailer GVWR as a reference instead of dry weight and then assume at least 13% of tongue weight based on GVWR. Which one will tow comfortably is going to depend on the individual characteristics of each trailer not just GVW. It’s weight distribution by design (floorplan) is important as is how you load additional items. Watch out for no name, poor quality tires on the trailer and negotiate a change if needed. You didn’t mention the wheelbase of the truck but the longer the better, the trend here seems to be the shorter 145 in. WB trucks are a bit more sensitive. Based on weight and dimensions, the 25BH would be my choice.
The jay feather is certainly the lightest, but it is also the smallest and almost completely void of any “extras” so we really like the open range compared to it. I have already struck the white hawk as too heavy and too long, so we are down to the jay feather and open range at this point...
#7
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" GVWR on the open range is 7450 so following your math this would provide a 970 pound tongue weight leaving me 100 pounds in unused payload"
Now I believe you are overthinking it. Head to the Open Range forums and see what they have to say there. Better yet ask questions. You can get a feel for what is generally used and issues they are having and how to address them. Knowledge is power and the better equipped you are the better off you'll end up.
http://www.openrangeowners.com/ORforum/
Now I believe you are overthinking it. Head to the Open Range forums and see what they have to say there. Better yet ask questions. You can get a feel for what is generally used and issues they are having and how to address them. Knowledge is power and the better equipped you are the better off you'll end up.
http://www.openrangeowners.com/ORforum/
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Weight distribution from a design perspective is about the location of the heavier items such as slide outs , kitchen, water tank if traveling with water. These should more centralized around and or slightly in front of the axles. Both of your choices seem relatively good with the Jayco maybe a bit better. The Open range dry hitch weight is a bit low for a trailer this size which suggests more weight rearward which can but not always increase the possibility of sway(increases yaw inertia).
One thing to consider with both trailers is the front storage bin and the front underbed storage. Using these as the main storage locations for the trailer can lead to a much heavier tongue weight than anticipated. It’s real easy to end up 15%+ on tongue weight so be careful. You are correct in that you won’t really know exactly how well either will tow until you hitch up and drive away.
One thing to consider with both trailers is the front storage bin and the front underbed storage. Using these as the main storage locations for the trailer can lead to a much heavier tongue weight than anticipated. It’s real easy to end up 15%+ on tongue weight so be careful. You are correct in that you won’t really know exactly how well either will tow until you hitch up and drive away.
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Gladehound (05-27-2018)
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Get a good WDH and be cautious of tongue weight, my Toy hauler states 574# tongue weight, I did the home scale method and its over 800# with one propane tank empty and front storage is full including battery.
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chimmike (05-27-2018)
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Weight distribution from a design perspective is about the location of the heavier items such as slide outs , kitchen, water tank if traveling with water. These should more centralized around and or slightly in front of the axles. Both of your choices seem relatively good with the Jayco maybe a bit better. The Open range dry hitch weight is a bit low for a trailer this size which suggests more weight rearward which can but not always increase the possibility of sway(increases yaw inertia).
One thing to consider with both trailers is the front storage bin and the front underbed storage. Using these as the main storage locations for the trailer can lead to a much heavier tongue weight than anticipated. It’s real easy to end up 15%+ on tongue weight so be careful. You are correct in that you won’t really know exactly how well either will tow until you hitch up and drive away.
One thing to consider with both trailers is the front storage bin and the front underbed storage. Using these as the main storage locations for the trailer can lead to a much heavier tongue weight than anticipated. It’s real easy to end up 15%+ on tongue weight so be careful. You are correct in that you won’t really know exactly how well either will tow until you hitch up and drive away.