Mislead Regarding Tow and Payload Capacity
04-21-2019, 11:50 AM
#41
I don't believe the dealerships are lying about tow and payload capacities. IMO they are simply too stupid to understand Ford's documents on the subject. Not a single sales person has sufficient credibility with me that I would ever consider purchasing a product based on anything they say.
What amazes me is that anyone believes anything they say. You are talking about a profession with absolutely no educational or certification requirements where the only requisites for success are being able to entice people to spend money and not smelling too bad on a test drive. I have little pity for a buyer expecting otherwise.
What amazes me is that anyone believes anything they say. You are talking about a profession with absolutely no educational or certification requirements where the only requisites for success are being able to entice people to spend money and not smelling too bad on a test drive. I have little pity for a buyer expecting otherwise.
Mike
04-22-2019, 05:21 PM
#42
I'll disagree with this. I talked to a salesman at Dick's Ford here that really knew his stuff. We dove way down into building an HDPP for me, and compared it in detail to the various F250 platforms that would also meet my needs. I didn't buy from them, but that guy knew what he was doing. It's rare, but they are out there. Like HDPP trucks.
Mike
Mike
04-22-2019, 05:48 PM
#43
Huh? Because we talked for an hour I'm obligated to buy from him? He learned a good bit from me too, since I came in knowing a lot about the 2018 HDPP package. Pack sand.
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Flamingtaco (04-23-2019)
04-23-2019, 05:10 AM
#44
I'll disagree with this. I talked to a salesman at Dick's Ford here that really knew his stuff. We dove way down into building an HDPP for me, and compared it in detail to the various F250 platforms that would also meet my needs. I didn't buy from them, but that guy knew what he was doing. It's rare, but they are out there. Like HDPP trucks.
Mike
Mike
I agree Mike, some dealers and sales guys do know their product. Coughlin Ford here in central Ohio is a great place to buy a truck. When I bought my 16 SD, they knew the product inside and out. I told them I wanted an XL with some upgrades, explained why, and they knew what I was going for. They even said wow, we wish more guys understood payload vs options like you do. It saved them having to explain to me why a limited, KR or platinum might not be a good fit for a trailer with 4300 to 4800 lbs of pin weight, if I want to haul people and hay in the truck at the same time. Coughlin really specializes in trucks or at least seems to. They will do their best to prevent what happened to the OP if they know what you plan to do with the truck.
Last edited by 5.0GN tow; 04-23-2019 at 05:13 AM.
04-23-2019, 01:03 PM
#45
Senior Member
OP - Did you craw under your truck and look at the hitch sticker? I'm willing to bet the max hitch rating is 1,100 lbs. If you have a 1,050 tongue trailer with a ~50lb WD hitch you are already at the max. A lot of people forget about this rating which can run out before payload does.
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Ricktwuhk (04-23-2019)
04-23-2019, 02:01 PM
#46
I have to give Ford credit, because they are by for the best when it comes to finding max payload and towing capacities on their trucks. They put it all out there in one nice chart on their website for everyone to see. It is also in the towing guides.
Try going to GM, Ram, Nissan or Toyota and let me know had easy it is to see all the different numbers for the different cab, bed and drive configurations. You will spend all day doing it.
Ford cannot possibly supply every number for every configuration and option ever and neither can the dealer have them all memorized. There would be a billion combinations and you would need some 10 dimensional chart to show it. Do your research before you buy a $50,000 truck how about? Sure the dealer can be more informed, but so could the buyer. There is this website and probably 1000 other truck and camping websites that could guide people in the right direction.
Try going to GM, Ram, Nissan or Toyota and let me know had easy it is to see all the different numbers for the different cab, bed and drive configurations. You will spend all day doing it.
Ford cannot possibly supply every number for every configuration and option ever and neither can the dealer have them all memorized. There would be a billion combinations and you would need some 10 dimensional chart to show it. Do your research before you buy a $50,000 truck how about? Sure the dealer can be more informed, but so could the buyer. There is this website and probably 1000 other truck and camping websites that could guide people in the right direction.
Last edited by mass-hole; 04-23-2019 at 02:06 PM.
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Mark Miller (04-24-2019)
04-23-2019, 05:33 PM
#47
It's not just trucks. Check out this video about how CW tends to really screw with people.
04-23-2019, 11:40 PM
#48
Senior Member
It's not just trucks. Check out this video about how CW tends to really screw with people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wrsMU7WMuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wrsMU7WMuQ
I love my trailer but will NEVER recommend the dealer I had to deal with. They were crooked beyond belief.
Last edited by clarkbre; 04-24-2019 at 02:04 AM.
04-24-2019, 07:55 AM
#49
With such a high hitch weight, I think you did a very inadequate job of researching such an important decision regarding to selecting a vehicle.
I'm betting I'm the least "truck guy" on this forum, as I had to get use to even driving my truck, and I still don't like its large size, length, cumbersome handling, and I still don't see any benefits for sitting high, but it's a truck.
I was faced with two major obstacles, one was trying to research and understand what I need in a truck, payloads, axle and other ratings, from scratch.
That research wasn't actually the hardest part, but the hardest part was discerning and filtering out that most of these guys just love big trucks, and give corrupt and bias advice on how much truck you actually need for towing a particular weight and length trailer. I quickly determined that the only opinion that mattered are those who tow with a simular truck, weight and length trailer.
Had I listened to these "experienced" truck guys, I would have thought I needed a truck for my trailer that I wouldn't want to drive when not towing. I prefer driving my car over my truck any day, but driving my truck is at least tolerable, versus had I listened to all the bad advice and gotten a larger truck.
Your should pursue rectifying your issue, but you have to primarily blame yourself for it...good luck.
I'm betting I'm the least "truck guy" on this forum, as I had to get use to even driving my truck, and I still don't like its large size, length, cumbersome handling, and I still don't see any benefits for sitting high, but it's a truck.
I was faced with two major obstacles, one was trying to research and understand what I need in a truck, payloads, axle and other ratings, from scratch.
That research wasn't actually the hardest part, but the hardest part was discerning and filtering out that most of these guys just love big trucks, and give corrupt and bias advice on how much truck you actually need for towing a particular weight and length trailer. I quickly determined that the only opinion that mattered are those who tow with a simular truck, weight and length trailer.
Had I listened to these "experienced" truck guys, I would have thought I needed a truck for my trailer that I wouldn't want to drive when not towing. I prefer driving my car over my truck any day, but driving my truck is at least tolerable, versus had I listened to all the bad advice and gotten a larger truck.
Your should pursue rectifying your issue, but you have to primarily blame yourself for it...good luck.
BTW, I totally agree that truck forums have a substantial bias towards big trucks. After I wrote that, it feels dead obvious...
I plan to tow right up to 9k lbs with my 2.7 ecoboost.
04-24-2019, 09:04 AM
#50
You can lead a horse to water...........
I was following a semi the other day, it was pulling a 53' trailer. Winds were 22 MPH out of the north, gusts to 28. It was pushing the truck all over the road. Now this is a rig with heavy mass up front, 60% trailer load centered on the tandems, and yet was being pushed around by 28 MPH winds.
If you really think that your light weight 1/2 ton truck is better at hauling a long wind sail than a Superduty, well, your not very bright. It's not about the weight when hauling a travel trailer, its about the Mass to counter that huge sail. When that big gust comes up out of nowhere and you leaves a smelly stripe in your undies, maybe then you will understand.
Just remember that you are not the only one on the road.
I was following a semi the other day, it was pulling a 53' trailer. Winds were 22 MPH out of the north, gusts to 28. It was pushing the truck all over the road. Now this is a rig with heavy mass up front, 60% trailer load centered on the tandems, and yet was being pushed around by 28 MPH winds.
If you really think that your light weight 1/2 ton truck is better at hauling a long wind sail than a Superduty, well, your not very bright. It's not about the weight when hauling a travel trailer, its about the Mass to counter that huge sail. When that big gust comes up out of nowhere and you leaves a smelly stripe in your undies, maybe then you will understand.
Just remember that you are not the only one on the road.