Max Trailer and Heavy Duty Payload
02-24-2017, 11:32 PM
#71
Senior Member
I have had two previous generation trucks optioned very similar.
2010 truck had the lower 7200 lbs GVWR, with 3750 lbs front axle rating and 3850 axle rating and a payload of only 1430 lbs.
2012 truck had the higher 7350 lbs GVWR with 3750 lbs front axle rating and 3850 lbs axle rating, and a payload of 1583 lbs.
2017 truck is very similar as well. Has a 7000 lbs GVWR with 3450 lbs front axle and 3800 lbs rear axle rating, and a payload of 1890 lbs.
My truck is heavier due to the larger 9.75" 3.73 ratio axle compared to the lighter 8.8" 3.55 and 3.31 ratio axles. Also the 36 gallon gas tank is also a lot heavier than the smaller 23 gallon gas tank. You could add about another 150 lbs to my payload with those lighter options.
My 2012 weighed 5768 lbs, and my 2010 weighed 5770 lbs, my 2016 weighs 5110 lbs. It's 658 lbs lighter but total axle ratings only dropped to 350 lbs for a 308 lbs gain on axle ratings. Add that 308 off additional axle rating to the 2012 payload of 1583 and you have 1891 lbs, which is right at the actual 1890 lbs of payload I have on my 2016.
The F150s from 2015 and up, have the same higher rated rear axle, higher GVWR, and higher payload to equal the same ratings that the previous generation Max Tow package offered. The upgraded suspension/payload is now STANDARD and not part of the Max Tow Package.
2010 truck had the lower 7200 lbs GVWR, with 3750 lbs front axle rating and 3850 axle rating and a payload of only 1430 lbs.
2012 truck had the higher 7350 lbs GVWR with 3750 lbs front axle rating and 3850 lbs axle rating, and a payload of 1583 lbs.
2017 truck is very similar as well. Has a 7000 lbs GVWR with 3450 lbs front axle and 3800 lbs rear axle rating, and a payload of 1890 lbs.
My truck is heavier due to the larger 9.75" 3.73 ratio axle compared to the lighter 8.8" 3.55 and 3.31 ratio axles. Also the 36 gallon gas tank is also a lot heavier than the smaller 23 gallon gas tank. You could add about another 150 lbs to my payload with those lighter options.
My 2012 weighed 5768 lbs, and my 2010 weighed 5770 lbs, my 2016 weighs 5110 lbs. It's 658 lbs lighter but total axle ratings only dropped to 350 lbs for a 308 lbs gain on axle ratings. Add that 308 off additional axle rating to the 2012 payload of 1583 and you have 1891 lbs, which is right at the actual 1890 lbs of payload I have on my 2016.
The F150s from 2015 and up, have the same higher rated rear axle, higher GVWR, and higher payload to equal the same ratings that the previous generation Max Tow package offered. The upgraded suspension/payload is now STANDARD and not part of the Max Tow Package.
02-25-2017, 01:31 PM
#72
I originally had been looking at 2016 F250 6.2L Screw 4WD XLT but found that 12 mpg mixed average was less than I needed for my long commute to work and back.
Then I optioned out a F150 301a package with and without the HD payload package. Found that the none HD Payload package truck on my dealers lot had the payload I needed for towing my travel trailer, had the shorter bed for maneuvering ease with the trailer, and it was a done deal. Thought I wanted the trailer tow mirrors until I test drove a truck with them. They didn't have as good a view as did my 2010 F150 factory tow mirrors did.
I like having steel bumpers that aren't painted and chipped, but keeping with a sporty look. Hate leather and heated seats, and remote start seems so senseless when you can go start it, let it warm up, and still be locked using the door keypad. 301a package was what I really wanted. Ford really needs to offer a 302a package without the sport package or chrome package. After having the chrome package on my 2012, I won't have it again with the cheap/fake chrome corroding and peeling. 2010 F150 didn't have the chrome package though it still had chrome side steps and never had issues. 2012 chrome wheels and chrome sidesteps just didn't last after 3 short years.
I was really lucking in finding what I wanted but I did tell my dealer that I wouldn't buy a truck on their lot until they started getting packages and options that are suited for towing a trailer without trying to be a Lincoln Town Car. About 6 months later, they had about 6 trucks just like mine in different colors.
Last edited by Mike Up; 02-25-2017 at 02:02 PM.
02-25-2017, 04:56 PM
#73
Senior Member
When I bought mine with the HDPP in 2013. I bought it off the lot and they had 2 and the was in Vineland NJ. Holman in Maple Shade and the Ford truck dealer in Delaware seem to always order a few for the lot. No the work truck XL but the XLT's at least in 2013. Both with the 5.0 and 3.5.
02-26-2017, 12:33 AM
#75
When I was shopping, I test drove a 15 F250 Lariat Diesel Screw, and the payload was a smidge over 2000#. I test drove an F150 Screw LB 302a package with the 5.0 and it had a 1924# payload.
You will never know what the actual payload is based on the sticker, every truck I looked at with similar options had a different payload. Tow packages do not add payload, all they do is up the weight the hitch can handle and the cooling or handling of the truck. Only the Payload Package adds to the payload, but can be quickly ate up by options.
You will never know what the actual payload is based on the sticker, every truck I looked at with similar options had a different payload. Tow packages do not add payload, all they do is up the weight the hitch can handle and the cooling or handling of the truck. Only the Payload Package adds to the payload, but can be quickly ate up by options.
02-26-2017, 01:21 AM
#76
When I was shopping, I test drove a 15 F250 Lariat Diesel Screw, and the payload was a smidge over 2000#. I test drove an F150 Screw LB 302a package with the 5.0 and it had a 1924# payload.
You will never know what the actual payload is based on the sticker, every truck I looked at with similar options had a different payload. Tow packages do not add payload, all they do is up the weight the hitch can handle and the cooling or handling of the truck. Only the Payload Package adds to the payload, but can be quickly ate up by options.
You will never know what the actual payload is based on the sticker, every truck I looked at with similar options had a different payload. Tow packages do not add payload, all they do is up the weight the hitch can handle and the cooling or handling of the truck. Only the Payload Package adds to the payload, but can be quickly ate up by options.
All the F150 Screws that had the 302a package, and had over 1800 lbs payload, were lighter 2WD, with the little gas tank, and had the small 8.8", tow unfriendly gears.
All the trucks optioned like mine were within a couple lbs of the same payload as shown on the door jam yellow tire loading/tread act sticker.
If it weren't for the lousy gas mileage on the F250 (gas or diesel compared to the F150 5.0L), I'd be driving a F250 right now.
Not a diesel fan, they have their place as a work truck, just don't want their expense, continuous maintenance, and headaches. Seen enough of them to know I don't want one.
Last edited by Mike Up; 02-26-2017 at 01:32 AM.
02-26-2017, 01:28 AM
#77
Touch screens have their place on 'mobile' phones where a keyboard and mouse are useless, but that's about it.
I never used my Samsung Tablet for anything other than browsing without it's add on keyboard. Found my HP laptop much more useful for doing anything constructive that needed to be portable.
02-26-2017, 10:40 AM
#78
The Diesel weighs 800# more, so that would drop payload down to 2000#.
Here's the truck I was looking at that had a 1924# payload.
http://www.harvardfordofharvard.com/...rchDepth=30:49
There was an identical Ruby Red one that I test drove with the same payload but that one was sold.
Here's the truck I was looking at that had a 1924# payload.
http://www.harvardfordofharvard.com/...rchDepth=30:49
There was an identical Ruby Red one that I test drove with the same payload but that one was sold.
02-26-2017, 11:18 PM
#80
I considered buying the XLT, but the seats were uncomfortable. Very strange how the seats between the XLT and the Lariat can be so different. For me, immediate back and leg pain in the XLT after a short drive, but the Lariat I can drive all day without issues. All in the shape of the cushions.
The Red one I drove was nice, and the V8 was decent enough that I could live with it over the EB. It was the seats that killed it for me, could have saved $12K getting it.
The Red one I drove was nice, and the V8 was decent enough that I could live with it over the EB. It was the seats that killed it for me, could have saved $12K getting it.