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Old 08-28-2017, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Pugga View Post
So if you could find a half ton with enough *** to tow your trailer, you'd shell out an extra $8k + initially, $100 oil changes, a harsh ride and higher fuel costs to tow a trailer 4-5 times a year? Towing full times, sure or maybe if one of those 4-5 times was a cross country trip. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense to buy a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel unless you just have a lot of extra money to burn.
If I bought the 5th wheel I would want to buy I could afford the rest.
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Old 08-28-2017, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pugga View Post
so if you could find a half ton with enough *** to tow your trailer, you'd shell out an extra $8k + initially, $100 oil changes, a harsh ride and higher fuel costs to tow a trailer 4-5 times a year? Towing full times, sure or maybe if one of those 4-5 times was a cross country trip. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense to buy a 3/4 or 1 ton diesel unless you just have a lot of extra money to burn.
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Originally Posted by chimmike View Post
if you do what all modern diesels should do with DPF crap is eliminate the DPF and urea injection stuff, run diesel like it's meant to be run, and your mpg would be similar, with a crap ton more capability. Pretty surprising what those diesels can do when the nanny assistive crap is deleted. Oh and reliability skyrockets too.
For a while, it was that simple. From what I understand now, deleting emissions bits on diesel trucks these days is getting riskier and riskier--EPA is essentially "raiding" shops for customer information, VINs, etc that have any sort of "off road only" modifications. If you have yearly or bi-yearly inspections of any sort or anything that reports your mileage such that EPA can go "oh hey this guys drives his off road only truck about 10k miles a year that seems suspicious" then you're a target for getting pulled over and fined to the tune of $5k or more for dickering with emissions equipment


Plus, no one here is really complaining about the power / pulling ability of these trucks, so in most cases a reinforced frame/suspension/axles would be the ticket, with a same-sized motor or just a big-*** gasser motor.
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Old 08-28-2017, 11:07 PM
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I mostly agree, but if I were towing a 5th wheel I would get a Superduty with the diesel.
No way the '13 F-150 I had could handle our trailer...in fact the pin weight is over 3K pounds and was giving my son in laws F-250 fits...easy to go over payload on a F-250. I started shopping for a dually and after driving a '17 Lariat that listed for only a couple of grand more then a loaded F-150 Platinum or KR I was hooked. Rides a little rougher then my '13 F-150 but that is to be expected with the heavy frame and suspension. Averaging 16 to 17 mpg for daily use which is almost what my F-150 Ecoboost was getting. The extra stability from having the 4 wheels on the ground in the rear is amazing vs the 2 wheels on son in laws 250. If I can get the wife to retire we'll plan on some long trips instead of the shorter ones we take now do to her work hours. I've had the truck 5 months and we've made 5 trips so not too bad. Got the big trailer so we can take the kids and grandkids too! Towing @65 mph getting 9 to 10 mpg on mostly flat highways.




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Originally Posted by mass-hole View Post
but they did change the 2018. The frame is a heavier gauge steel, so are the axles, and I assume the hitch was upgraded to carry 1320 lb tongue.

Well if they are, they aren't the ones currently on lots. I went and measured the frames on 17's and 18's that were on the lot the other day when I brought my truck in, and they were identical. I used my digital calipers and used MM, but don't remember the exact readings, only that they were the same. I wanted to find out for myself after hearing rumors that the frame is heavier, haven't seen proof of it yet.

When I had an F350 Screw LB Diesel, it was amazing how an 8000 pound monster could get 19 MPG, but it did. It isn't the cost of diesel that prevented me from buying one this last time out, it was the maintenance. at least $100 per oil change every 5K miles or so adds up quick when driving 640 miles a week.
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Old 08-28-2017, 11:21 PM
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No way the '13 F-150 I had could handle our trailer...in fact the pin weight is over 3K pounds and was giving my son in laws F-250 fits...easy to go over payload on a F-250. I started shopping for a dually and after driving a '17 Lariat that listed for only a couple of grand more then a loaded F-150 Platinum or KR I was hooked. Rides a little rougher then my '13 F-150 but that is to be expected with the heavy frame and suspension. Averaging 16 to 17 mpg for daily use which is almost what my F-150 Ecoboost was getting. The extra stability from having the 4 wheels on the ground in the rear is amazing vs the 2 wheels on son in laws 250. If I can get the wife to retire we'll plan on some long trips instead of the shorter ones we take now do to her work hours. I've had the truck 5 months and we've made 5 trips so not too bad. Got the big trailer so we can take the kids and grandkids too! Towing @65 mph getting 9 to 10 mpg on mostly flat highways.
I wanted to go f250 but the 2018 is so tall it wouldn’t fit in the garage at work!
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I had a 2012 Lariat that wouldn't fit in some garages. Had to park it outside when I went to Vegas during August. talk about a HOT truck!
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Originally Posted by acdii View Post
Well if they are, they aren't the ones currently on lots. I went and measured the frames on 17's and 18's that were on the lot the other day when I brought my truck in, and they were identical. I used my digital calipers and used MM, but don't remember the exact readings, only that they were the same. I wanted to find out for myself after hearing rumors that the frame is heavier, haven't seen proof of it yet.

When I had an F350 Screw LB Diesel, it was amazing how an 8000 pound monster could get 19 MPG, but it did. It isn't the cost of diesel that prevented me from buying one this last time out, it was the maintenance. at least $100 per oil change every 5K miles or so adds up quick when driving 640 miles a week.
Lately it seems that unless you diesel is JUST a work / towing truck, it's not worth it. Diesels just can't be a commuter truck at all with crazy regen times and the potential side effects of ending the regens such as crazy amounts of diesel gas in your oil. Maybe they've fixed this with current models? Dunno. Again, just crazy complexity for no reason unless you are really needing to go the diesel route.

I had basically narrowed my truck search down to mid-2000s dodge cummins mega cabs or newer aluminum F-150s. Ended up with the F-150 for a lot of reasons.
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Originally Posted by acdii View Post
Well if they are, they aren't the ones currently on lots. I went and measured the frames on 17's and 18's that were on the lot the other day when I brought my truck in, and they were identical. I used my digital calipers and used MM, but don't remember the exact readings, only that they were the same. I wanted to find out for myself after hearing rumors that the frame is heavier, haven't seen proof of it yet.
Regarding the changes from 2017 to 2018, I've read this quote on more than a few sites.

"..Ford actually cranked up the 3.5-liter F-150's maximum trailer weight for 2018 by increasing the frame gage in the rear, thickening the frame’s mid-rails, beefing up the rear axle tubes and shafts, and revising the steering gear to meet SAE sway requirements. The result is a max tow rating of 13,200 pounds—1,000 pounds more than last year."

Article HERE.
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