Interesting DOT regs
08-14-2018, 03:20 PM
#11
Haha really? We have farm plates in some provinces in Canada, but you may also use it for personal use, so I guess it's different in Wisconsin. My family has regular plates though, and I'm not sure if the trucks are a tax write-off for the business or not, but even if they are you can still get regular plates. Any of the other farm trucks used on the land don't have plates or insurance or anything but it doesn't matter because they never leave the property, which is easy when you have 8000 acres of land... The only sketchy parts are crossing public roads in a few spots between plots of land, but considering you can see the horizon in any direction, it's easy to not get caught lol
08-14-2018, 05:16 PM
#12
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I don't have any farm plates. But I do have a couple 'permanent trailer' tags. And I think (could be wrong) they are for non-commercial use only...But I can't remember.
08-14-2018, 07:39 PM
#13
Now here is something else I ran across, Commiefornia! Wow, better watch the regs closely when towing an RV! https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/co...df?MOD=AJPERES
So those of you in Commifornia towing that 9500 pound trailer with your F150 and a class C license, watch out, they be gunnin for you!
So those of you in Commifornia towing that 9500 pound trailer with your F150 and a class C license, watch out, they be gunnin for you!
California had to harmonize some with the Feds a few years back. Used to be able to pull any trailer up to 10K GVWR. Now there's a length component I guess. Certain weights/lengths now require a log book, but not a commercial license. A coworker had all kinds of fun down at Palms Springs Weigh Station. A faded decal on a trailer but DMV had the trailer listed at 16,000lb GVWR (8,500 is what it really was).
08-14-2018, 10:33 PM
#14
Keep in mind, under MV compact laws as long as you are legal and registered correctly in your state, other states have to allow you to run in theirs for Non Comm vehicles.
With my big GN Horse trailer we are an RV in OH because it has self contained living quarters. So my whole rig even though GCWR is 34K, I am not required to be CDL or DOT or now ELD. If I haul for profit then that exemption is lost. Now recently the Feds came out and stated a person hauling to a show and possibly winning money is not considered hauling for profit. The states are enforcing federal rules on this, so it was an important ruling for the horse industry.
I Confirmed this with the district 6 OHIO PUCO (DOT enforcement) supervisor and he was very clear on it. No CDL, ELD or Dot numbers on a LQ horse trailer registered as RV in a personal name.
With my big GN Horse trailer we are an RV in OH because it has self contained living quarters. So my whole rig even though GCWR is 34K, I am not required to be CDL or DOT or now ELD. If I haul for profit then that exemption is lost. Now recently the Feds came out and stated a person hauling to a show and possibly winning money is not considered hauling for profit. The states are enforcing federal rules on this, so it was an important ruling for the horse industry.
I Confirmed this with the district 6 OHIO PUCO (DOT enforcement) supervisor and he was very clear on it. No CDL, ELD or Dot numbers on a LQ horse trailer registered as RV in a personal name.
08-14-2018, 10:51 PM
#15
Keep in mind, under MV compact laws as long as you are legal and registered correctly in your state, other states have to allow you to run in theirs for Non Comm vehicles.
With my big GN Horse trailer we are an RV in OH because it has self contained living quarters. So my whole rig even though GCWR is 34K, I am not required to be CDL or DOT or now ELD. If I haul for profit then that exemption is lost. Now recently the Feds came out and stated a person hauling to a show and possibly winning money is not considered hauling for profit. The states are enforcing federal rules on this, so it was an important ruling for the horse industry.
I Confirmed this with the district 6 OHIO PUCO (DOT enforcement) supervisor and he was very clear on it. No CDL, ELD or Dot numbers on a LQ horse trailer registered as RV in a personal name.
With my big GN Horse trailer we are an RV in OH because it has self contained living quarters. So my whole rig even though GCWR is 34K, I am not required to be CDL or DOT or now ELD. If I haul for profit then that exemption is lost. Now recently the Feds came out and stated a person hauling to a show and possibly winning money is not considered hauling for profit. The states are enforcing federal rules on this, so it was an important ruling for the horse industry.
I Confirmed this with the district 6 OHIO PUCO (DOT enforcement) supervisor and he was very clear on it. No CDL, ELD or Dot numbers on a LQ horse trailer registered as RV in a personal name.
For example, in several states it is illegal to have a load which extends 6" beyond the line of the fenders on the left or right sides of non-commercial vehicles. In other states it is legal. So if you live in a state where hauling a load that extends more than 6" beyond the fenders is legal, and travel through a state where it is illegal to do so, I think if you are stopped and ticketed you would be hard pressed to use the "it is legal in your state" argument.
08-15-2018, 10:46 AM
#16
I'm not sure the "as long as you are legal" in your state comment always works in other states.
For example, in several states it is illegal to have a load which extends 6" beyond the line of the fenders on the left or right sides of non-commercial vehicles. In other states it is legal. So if you live in a state where hauling a load that extends more than 6" beyond the fenders is legal, and travel through a state where it is illegal to do so, I think if you are stopped and ticketed you would be hard pressed to use the "it is legal in your state" argument.
For example, in several states it is illegal to have a load which extends 6" beyond the line of the fenders on the left or right sides of non-commercial vehicles. In other states it is legal. So if you live in a state where hauling a load that extends more than 6" beyond the fenders is legal, and travel through a state where it is illegal to do so, I think if you are stopped and ticketed you would be hard pressed to use the "it is legal in your state" argument.
08-15-2018, 09:55 PM
#17
I'm not sure the "as long as you are legal" in your state comment always works in other states.
For example, in several states it is illegal to have a load which extends 6" beyond the line of the fenders on the left or right sides of non-commercial vehicles. In other states it is legal. So if you live in a state where hauling a load that extends more than 6" beyond the fenders is legal, and travel through a state where it is illegal to do so, I think if you are stopped and ticketed you would be hard pressed to use the "it is legal in your state" argument.
For example, in several states it is illegal to have a load which extends 6" beyond the line of the fenders on the left or right sides of non-commercial vehicles. In other states it is legal. So if you live in a state where hauling a load that extends more than 6" beyond the fenders is legal, and travel through a state where it is illegal to do so, I think if you are stopped and ticketed you would be hard pressed to use the "it is legal in your state" argument.
I was referring to licensing and registration type issues. For example a horse trailer licensed in OH as an RV would have to be honored in other states as an RV. Since Ohio requires no special operators license class for RVs then the other states have to let you operate it there. The MV compacts require this kind of reciprocal arrangements as otherwise traveling from state to state would be nearly impossible. Being retired LE we ran into this a lot, and it has been this way for quite some time.
Commercial vehicles are a different story, each state can enforce different commercial rules to some extent, and they do. Also they can for certain functions require special licensing(for the truck not the driver) for a commercial vehicle to deliver or operate in their state. Illinois used to be and may still be famous for this.