Increasing limited towing capacity?
04-12-2019, 08:04 AM
#21
Isn't it true that if you reduce the weight of the truck (to increase payload), that this also increases the weight you can tow while still being under GCWR? (Of course, it's difficult to take much weight out of the truck...)
04-12-2019, 11:19 AM
#22
I will leave the towing increase legal concerns up to the owner....
best thing you can do to increase towing power (if it's an ecoboost) is get a tuner. Best bang for the buck power increase.
best thing you can do to increase towing power (if it's an ecoboost) is get a tuner. Best bang for the buck power increase.
04-12-2019, 12:45 PM
#23
Still limits the towing to the payload. As it is now, the Limited has more power than it can ever tow, regardless of 17 or 19.
04-12-2019, 01:32 PM
#24
Grumpy Old Man
Tow rating is gross combined weight rating (GCWR) minus the weight of the unloaded truck. Tow rating is the weight the TV can pull without overheating the drivetrain and without being the slowpoke holding up traffic on hills and passes. You can increase GCWR by hot-rodding the engine to increase the power/torque output of the drivetrain, including adding a "tuner" to increase engine output. But GCWR is rarely the limiter as to max trailer weight, especially with an EcoBoost engine. Payload capacity is almost always the limiter. So hot-rodding the engine does not usually increase the weight of a trailer you can tow without being overloaded.
Payload capacity is GVWR minus the weight of the truck. The only was to increase payload capacity is to reduce the weight of the truck, including such things as removing the tailgate, removing the cab steps, maybe removing the back seats. Adding overload air springs (air bags) or other suspension enhancements does NOT increase payload capacity, they only mask the symptoms of being overloaded.
04-12-2019, 02:54 PM
#25
There are two major factors involved in matching trailer to tow vehicle; tow rating and payload capacity of the tow vehicle.
Tow rating is gross combined weight rating (GCWR) minus the weight of the unloaded truck. Tow rating is the weight the TV can pull without overheating the drivetrain and without being the slowpoke holding up traffic on hills and passes. You can increase GCWR by hot-rodding the engine to increase the power/torque output of the drivetrain, including adding a "tuner" to increase engine output. But GCWR is rarely the limiter as to max trailer weight, especially with an EcoBoost engine. Payload capacity is almost always the limiter. So hot-rodding the engine does not usually increase the weight of a trailer you can tow without being overloaded.
Payload capacity is GVWR minus the weight of the truck. The only was to increase payload capacity is to reduce the weight of the truck, including such things as removing the tailgate, removing the cab steps, maybe removing the back seats. Adding overload air springs (air bags) or other suspension enhancements does NOT increase payload capacity, they only mask the symptoms of being overloaded.
Tow rating is gross combined weight rating (GCWR) minus the weight of the unloaded truck. Tow rating is the weight the TV can pull without overheating the drivetrain and without being the slowpoke holding up traffic on hills and passes. You can increase GCWR by hot-rodding the engine to increase the power/torque output of the drivetrain, including adding a "tuner" to increase engine output. But GCWR is rarely the limiter as to max trailer weight, especially with an EcoBoost engine. Payload capacity is almost always the limiter. So hot-rodding the engine does not usually increase the weight of a trailer you can tow without being overloaded.
Payload capacity is GVWR minus the weight of the truck. The only was to increase payload capacity is to reduce the weight of the truck, including such things as removing the tailgate, removing the cab steps, maybe removing the back seats. Adding overload air springs (air bags) or other suspension enhancements does NOT increase payload capacity, they only mask the symptoms of being overloaded.
04-12-2019, 03:45 PM
#26
As the title states I’m considering buying a 14’ limited model. What steps could I take to increase the towing capacity? I know it won’t match other models but I’m assuming new wheels and tires would make a difference compared to the 22’s. And overall the drivetrain is identical correct (engine, transmission, axles etc)? Maybe some suspension tweaks over time to replace the “sport tuned” suspension? I don’t tow a lot but in case something arises I’d like to know what steps I could take to get a little more if needed. I plan on doing different wheels and tires regardless so that’s just a plus. Thanks in advance.
04-12-2019, 05:41 PM
#27
Senior Member
Towing newbies only focus on towing capacity. in reality, PAYLOAD CAPACITY is more important since most tow vehicles will run out payload WAY before reaching max towing capacity.
and blinged out trucks, like the Limited, have much lower payloads because of the weight of the bling. it's made to look pretty but not to tow.
and blinged out trucks, like the Limited, have much lower payloads because of the weight of the bling. it's made to look pretty but not to tow.
Also, wondering if someone can point me to the law that states the manufacturer's recommended limits are the 'legal' limit. Not recommending exceeding them, not saying that you are not screwed if you are over and something happens (because, lawyers...and civil suits have a much lower burden). I do believe some states do formally limit you to the manufacturer's recommendations but others use bridge formula and you're not getting anywhere near that unless you're smokeywren hauling that backhoe halfway across Texas with his ecoboost (then bragging about it online while still trying to be the weight police)...anyway...don't exceed the manufacturer's stated limits (any of them).
04-12-2019, 08:24 PM
#28
04-12-2019, 08:25 PM
#29
Most 5.0 or 3.5EB 2015+ F150's will run out of GCWR before running out of payload or hitting the tow limit. (NA V6, 2.7EB and high trim models are the exceptions).
Also, wondering if someone can point me to the law that states the manufacturer's recommended limits are the 'legal' limit. Not recommending exceeding them, not saying that you are not screwed if you are over and something happens (because, lawyers...and civil suits have a much lower burden). I do believe some states do formally limit you to the manufacturer's recommendations but others use bridge formula and you're not getting anywhere near that unless you're smokeywren hauling that backhoe halfway across Texas with his ecoboost (then bragging about it online while still trying to be the weight police)...anyway...don't exceed the manufacturer's stated limits (any of them).
Also, wondering if someone can point me to the law that states the manufacturer's recommended limits are the 'legal' limit. Not recommending exceeding them, not saying that you are not screwed if you are over and something happens (because, lawyers...and civil suits have a much lower burden). I do believe some states do formally limit you to the manufacturer's recommendations but others use bridge formula and you're not getting anywhere near that unless you're smokeywren hauling that backhoe halfway across Texas with his ecoboost (then bragging about it online while still trying to be the weight police)...anyway...don't exceed the manufacturer's stated limits (any of them).
04-12-2019, 08:39 PM
#30