Increased towing, but not payload?
#1
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Increased towing, but not payload?
I don't know if this is from marketing purposes, though people will generally hit their payload limit far before they hit their towing limits. So why did Ford give the 2018 extra towing, instead of payload?
#2
its all marketing... the vast majority of 1/2 ton owners, these numbers are meaningless because they use their truck to pick up groceries and drop the kids at school and once a year they buy 4 2x4's from home depot.
there are configurations that have over 3k pds of payload in the f150... a trailer at the new max of 13,200pds at 15% tongue weight would only eat up 1980 pds of that.
there are configurations that have over 3k pds of payload in the f150... a trailer at the new max of 13,200pds at 15% tongue weight would only eat up 1980 pds of that.
#3
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Would be nice if they could up the payload by a couple hundred pounds. The old F-150s had a higher GVWR than the newer ones. If the newer frame is indeed stronger, I don't see any reason why they couldn't suspension or axles from the older trucks to do this.
#4
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It's not just the frame that qualifies the weight a truck can tow or carry. Everything ON the frame (options etc) and everything BETWEEN the frame and the road (suspension, tires etc.) will determine what the truck can do.
#5
Because they didnt want the payload capacity of any random loaded lariat F150 to be 2200 lbs and compete directly with a diesel F250. Thats why. I dont doubt that the new trucks could still have 7700 lb GVWR but that would basically make every new truck an HD Payload truck. If they had the new HD Payload trucks at 8200 lbs, like the old ones, then we would be looking at like 3600 lb payloads lol.
Last edited by mass-hole; 08-31-2017 at 12:59 PM.
#6
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Also, with a lightly optioned truck and only the driver and no extra crap in the truck, you could probably tow a trailer that weighs the limit at a 13% tongue weight without exceeding GVWR, GCWR or the tow rating (but you'd probably be over the RAWR.
And, dont forget, not all trailers come with a high percentage of tongue weight. Boat trailers for example have a fairly low tongue weight (but GCWR is still going to get you).
My truck, with me 100lb of misc crap and 125lb WDH would be limited by GVWR to a 10,870lb trailer at 13% tongue weight [(7000-5182-180-100-125)/.13]. Truck is rated to tow 9100lb I think. By GCWR I'd be limited to 8813lb (14,400-5182-180-100-125) whether boat or TT but at 8813lb, I'd have around 250lb of payload available that I simply could not use without being over GCWR. (and I'm pretty sure I'd be over my rear axle rating as well).
#7
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With the new trucks, you are more likely to hit the GCWR before tow capacity or GVWR (which payload is derived from).
Also, with a lightly optioned truck and only the driver and no extra crap in the truck, you could probably tow a trailer that weighs the limit at a 13% tongue weight without exceeding GVWR, GCWR or the tow rating (but you'd probably be over the RAWR.
And, dont forget, not all trailers come with a high percentage of tongue weight. Boat trailers for example have a fairly low tongue weight (but GCWR is still going to get you).
My truck, with me 100lb of misc crap and 125lb WDH would be limited by GVWR to a 10,870lb trailer at 13% tongue weight [(7000-5182-180-100-125)/.13]. Truck is rated to tow 9100lb I think. By GCWR I'd be limited to 8813lb (14,400-5182-180-100-125) whether boat or TT but at 8813lb, I'd have around 250lb of payload available that I simply could not use without being over GCWR. (and I'm pretty sure I'd be over my rear axle rating as well).
Also, with a lightly optioned truck and only the driver and no extra crap in the truck, you could probably tow a trailer that weighs the limit at a 13% tongue weight without exceeding GVWR, GCWR or the tow rating (but you'd probably be over the RAWR.
And, dont forget, not all trailers come with a high percentage of tongue weight. Boat trailers for example have a fairly low tongue weight (but GCWR is still going to get you).
My truck, with me 100lb of misc crap and 125lb WDH would be limited by GVWR to a 10,870lb trailer at 13% tongue weight [(7000-5182-180-100-125)/.13]. Truck is rated to tow 9100lb I think. By GCWR I'd be limited to 8813lb (14,400-5182-180-100-125) whether boat or TT but at 8813lb, I'd have around 250lb of payload available that I simply could not use without being over GCWR. (and I'm pretty sure I'd be over my rear axle rating as well).
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#8
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Mine is the other way around, I have a canopy, tow a 6500 lb trailer, my wife, myself and the dog in the truck. Toss camping supplies and 100 to 150lbs of firewood and I am bumping into my GVWR. By the way the 3 of us weigh about 400 lbs. together. I also have the 36 gallon tank which adds also. There is no way I could tow a trailer coming close to max tow capacity.