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Old 03-07-2019, 08:01 PM
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I couldn't get the STX, Chrome or Sport options for an XL with the HDPP package. Are you sure you were able to get Chrome under the XL config? Mine had a pop-up window saying I had to remove HDPP. So, if you really want it, the alternative is to move up to XLT.

However, there are a couple of issues:

1. The image trend in LA is going towards blacked out grill & rims - for both cars & trucks. Not sure if this trend has caught on elsewhere. So, in that sense, getting an XLT chrome package would actually be going against what appears to be a growing trend here in SoCal.

2. In the Jeep world (I've mentioned I have a new JLU Wrangler Rubicon - I'm looking for a tow vehicle for an Airstream trailer), the tongue-in-cheek self-deprecating after-market look is called "butch". Yep, exactly as it sounds. And, believe it or not, the "butch" look is fairly popular with LEO. We live by a state park, and the (armed) rangers drive blacked out rims/grill, white Silverados - they look pretty aggressive.

3. HDPP comes with OWL tires (outline white lettering), so it looks pretty good highlighted against the black bumpers/grill.

4. HDPP comes with premium 18" brushed alum wheels - again, it looks pretty good against the black bumpers/grill.

5. Finally, you can add fog lamps for $140 - it looks really good on the configurator as it breaks up the monolithic black front.

It looks like we're both searching for the same vehicle, so I'm happy to exchange ideas and opinions.

As for examples of the blacked out look, here are a couple, but you have to use your imagination. The first one is a ranger truck, but with chrome rims; all the ones around my area have blacked out rims along with the front bumper. The second image is of a non HDPP, max tow XL Scab. It has 17" steel rims and aftermarket (snow) tires, but IMO the OWL look looks good with the black bumper.

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It's like trying to follow breadcrumbs to understand the ratings on the trucks. I agree that the HDPP will get you the most payload, and the most real world tow capacity. No questions asked there. You can do the math quickly and understand that. The way I approached it in my mind is that I would like to know the rating for the truck so I can stay legal when towing. It would be easy to accidentally configure a truck that only give you 7000lbs rating (say you have a 2.7 or 5.0 with only a hitch or the standard tow package) when you think you are going to have 12700, 13000, or something along those lines. It could be easy to stay within the payload rating, but exceed 5000lbs or 7000lbs tow rating. Should you get in an accident and you are outside of the rated limits of your truck, you could be in for some big trouble.

Regarding the equipment with or without the 20" wheels, there was another user on another forum that stated that you don't get the springs, swaybar, etc if you don't include the 20" wheels. I had asked if you could just swap to 20" wheels down the road, and that was the response I got. Take it for what it's worth.
Again, the tow rating isnot the one to worry about.
It’s the payload that will get busted way before the tow rating. Unless you are towing hay wagons.
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I went through the same crap when I ordered my truck. According to my dealer (he actually phoned Ford) you do not get the upgraded sway bar, springs etc. with the MTTP package if you do not also order 20 wheels (at least in 2018 models), which IMO is an incredibly stupid move on Ford's part. I finally said to hell with it and ordered a MTTP/HDPP package. Best move I made. It does ride a little stiffer then the run of the mill F 150's more like an old time PU, and it sits a little higher. The HDPP is great value. As was said before if you want a truck to use as a truck, why would you not order the HD? Oh and my payload for a long wheel base Screw Lariat is 2300 pounds!
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I went through the same crap when I ordered my truck. According to my dealer (he actually phoned Ford) you do not get the upgraded sway bar, springs etc. with the MTTP package if you do not also order 20 wheels (at least in 2018 models), which IMO is an incredibly stupid move on Ford's part. I finally said to hell with it and ordered a MTTP/HDPP package. Best move I made. It does ride a little stiffer then the run of the mill F 150's more like an old time PU, and it sits a little higher. The HDPP is great value. As was said before if you want a truck to use as a truck, why would you not order the HD? Oh and my payload for a long wheel base Screw Lariat is 2300 pounds!
You gotta laugh when even the dealers fall for their own confusion/nonsense. If you go to the Ford configurator and simply select MTTP under the XL trim, the pop-up warning will say you need to change engines to the 3.5EB. That's it - no wheel change required.

Then, after selecting HTTP, go to the tire selection section. You will note that the standard tire pre-selected is still the 17" steel ie it didn't automatically update/change to 20". Next, take a look at the 'i' tab under 18" alum - it will say it comes with HDPP. Last, do the same with the 20" wheel - it will say it's an optional STX wheel - no mention of MTTP.

Lastly, from a logic standpoint, as I noted above, LT (light truck) tires are the highest lost rated available for non-commercial 1/2, 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. On the Ford configurator, LT is only available in 17" streel and 18" alum for the HDPP package. No mention anywhere of MTTP.

Finally, here's a window sticker from the one of the old 2018 bling-mobiles with MTTP that can be had for cheap ($10-12k under sticker). Only 18" STX wheels are included, not 20".

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In conclusion, as so many have stated, HDPP + MTTP is by far and away the best upgrade combination available for anyone looking to spec a "real" truck. You get the beefed up suspension, you get the add'l coolers, you get the LT tires, you get the nicer rims.

It really is a bit of a no-brainer, especially since the cost is actually pretty low.
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Just saw this thread from another forum, and thought it would add some evidence to the 20" wheel claim. The first two posts show the frame stickers from two trucks, both configured with the max tow package, but the first one doesn't have the 20" wheels.

The first post has the HD frame, and the 2nd one from a truck with 20" wheels has the HPP frame.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...do-i-have.html


Also, if you read through then you learn some info for 2019 trucks:
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Originally Posted by GLC
So I got my 2019 XLT. 157", 3.5 Eco, Max Tow, and 20" rims. My frame sticker has the "HD" marking.

Guess you have to actually get the HDPP to get that frame. But then you can't get Max Tow.
With the XLT did you order 301a? Anything above 301a gets the 156.8HD frame in that configuration due to payload restrictions. You do still get the rear spring upgrades and sway bar upgrades with the ordering of 20" wheels. This appears to apply to 2019 trucks. So far I have verified 5 xlt trucks and only the 301a trucks have the HPP frame. All the XL trucks have it when ordered with 156.8 frame and max tow from what I have seen in person. You can order max tow and max payload package together but its option restricted.
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So it seems there is a difference in frames depending on the trim level and factory wheel size with max tow package without the HDPP.
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Interesting. Also, is this an older post since it mentions restrictions on MTTP with HDPP for the XL trim?

Here's a 2019 XL configuration which includes both without restriction. Of note is HDPP gets the new upgraded 18" alum wheels/OWL LT tires, but with the 5.0 Coyote.

MTTP stays with 17" steel/BSW tires, but upgrades to the 3.5EB.

Add both, and you get 18" wheels, OWL & 3.5EB.

Think someone at Ford got clever with a "secretly" planted magic option combination?
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The configurator image in the post above doesn't show the OWL tires. Here's what the 18" OWL actually look like.

And here are a few 2019 showing up around the country:

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?bsId=20209&kw=heavy%20duty%20payload%20package&kw m=EXACT&page=1&perPage=20&rd=99999&searchSource=GN _REFINEMENT&showMore=false&sort=relevance&stkTypId =28880&yrId=36362520&zc=92647

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Important: Note that all of these are the 5.0 Coyote as they only have the HDPP option (click through to window sticker). If you add MTTP, you get the 3.5EB. Apparently, no one (dealers) have ordered this option combination yet.

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Edit: Looks like some XL 4x4 are showing up with HDPP, MTTP and 3.5EB like this one:

https://www.sarchioneford.com/new-Randolph-2019-Ford-F+150-XL-1FTFX1E43KKC66014?utm_campaign=deeplink
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Originally Posted by snerf View Post
Interesting. Also, is this an older post since it mentions restrictions on MTTP with HDPP for the XL trim?

Here's a 2019 XL configuration which includes both without restriction. Of note is HDPP gets the new upgraded 18" alum wheels/OWL LT tires, but with the 5.0 Coyote.

MTTP stays with 17" steel/BSW tires, but upgrades to the 3.5EB.

Add both, and you get 18" wheels, OWL & 3.5EB.

Think someone at Ford got clever with a "secretly" planted magic option combination?
If you click the little "i" button for information on the max trailer tow package, it says that to reach the full tow rating, you need to add 20" wheels. However, it does not automatically add them for you. Also says tow mirrors are an option that's not included as part of the max tow package.

If you get XL with the STX package, you automatically get 20" wheels. If you go with an XLT, you don't get 20" wheels with any of the available packages. You have to manually add them above and beyond any kind of sport package or default package. You can combine max trailer tow and HDPP, but the gearing from the HDPP supersedes the max tow gear, so you will end up with 3.73 instead of 3.55. You also have to get the HDPP wheels with max tow, so that's 17" steel or 18" aluminum. By the spec sheet then, you loose the magic 13,X00 lb tow rating, but you gain 600-850 lbs GVWR (not sure when the 600lbs comes into play, but saw that number in a ford reference document someone shared). Your real world tow capacity would increase significantly with HDPP. Translating the extra payload to trailer weight, 850 lbs of extra payload translates to an additional 6538 lbs of trailer at 13% tongue weight that you can add up to the point that you would exceed one of the other ratings of the truck.

From what I saw with the build and price tool, you cannot combine the STX package and the HDPP. Otherwise, you loose the HDPP. No matter what, in an XL, there is no option combo that gives you HDPP and Sync 3. In an XLT you can get a 301A (I think), and manually add the Sync 3 option and still keep HDPP. You can't have a 302A though, that removes the HDPP.

If you add the HDPP on an XL, I think it changes the wheels to the 17" steel wheels, but you can manually select the 18" aluminum HDPP wheels as an option. I can't remember what a XLT does with wheels. Either way, if you add HDPP, you can always add the 18" aluminum HDPP wheels by the looks of it.

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If you click the little "i" button for information on the max trailer tow package, it says that to reach the full tow rating, you need to add 20" wheels.

We addressed this a few posts above. The language is confusing - you have to parse all four (4) sentences as stand alone separate statements. The last sentence is re-iterating the overall MTTP options, not the 20" tire option preceding it. To recap:

1. Requires 3.5L EcoBoost® engine.
2. Does not include Trailer Tow Mirrors. Trailer Tow Mirrors are a standalone option and must be ordered separately.
3. Max GCWR/Max Tow achieved on SuperCrew® when equipped with 20-inch Wheels.
4. This configuration will also come equipped with max springs, steering gear, and upgraded stabilizer bar.

Note that maximum Max Tow is achieved with 20" wheels. That's because it provides greater rolling weight - which is why it references GCWR, not payload nor GVWR.

Again, I know this is confusing. It takes time to patiently parse through and puzzle out what is exactly happening.

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If you click the little "i" button for information on the max trailer tow package, it says that to reach the full tow rating, you need to add 20" wheels.

We addressed this a few posts above. The language is confusing - you have to parse all four (4) sentences as stand alone separate statements. The last sentence is re-iterating the overall MTTP options, not the 20" tire option preceding it. To recap:

1. Requires 3.5L EcoBoost® engine.
2. Does not include Trailer Tow Mirrors. Trailer Tow Mirrors are a standalone option and must be ordered separately.
3. Max GCWR/Max Tow achieved on SuperCrew® when equipped with 20-inch Wheels.
4. This configuration will also come equipped with max springs, steering gear, and upgraded stabilizer bar.

Note that maximum Max Tow is achieved with 20" wheels. That's because it provides greater rolling weight - which is why it references GCWR, not payload nor GVWR.

Again, I know this is confusing. It takes time to patiently parse through and puzzle out what is exactly happening.
Yes, agreed that it was addressed. Some of the comments seemed to imply that people were expecting the 20" wheels to automatically be applied to their build if they selected max trailer tow package as an option, which isn't the case. Ford says it is required to reach max GCWR, they don't add it for you automatically. Unless you pick a package that has them already (like the STX package, or add them yourself, your truck won't have the max GCWR).

You can add on HDPP together with Max trailer tow, and you get the additional payload (GVWR) to enable a higher real-world towing (hauling around additional people and stuff in in the truck while towing), even thought the GCWR is technically lower.
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