Help configuring a SuperCrew with 2030 payload?
03-06-2019, 12:37 PM
#41
Grumpy Old Man
Dealers cannot add trim packages such as XLT 302A. That has to be built-in at the assembly plant. So that dealer ordered that truck with 302A. Dealers with more than two brain cells to rub together order what they think will sell. It hasn't sold yet because the right customer hasn't seen it yet. But if a customer wants an XLT with the built-in "luxury" pkg, it's there waiting to be discovered.
03-06-2019, 12:55 PM
#42
Exactly, but car dealers are still in the game of guessing the market's direction. (When I said 'add' I should have been more specific in that the dealer "added" the option to their order thinking/hoping someone would pay for it.) They may be right 95% of the time, but every now and then they blow it. In the case of 4x4 vs 4x2, dealers can't get rid of optioned RWD because everyone wants a 4x4. (4x2 for most buyers is the market for generic white work trucks.)
For example, here's a window sticker of a similar build from the same dealer, but with one interesting point of note. See it?
This truck was built in August 2017. Yep, 18 months old and still sitting in inventory. And this isn't a one-off; I've come across at least five (5) of them in SoCal. It's very tempting, because the dealers have around $10k+- margin under invoice to play with, so you can get a great deal. In fact, I spoke to a dealer in TX who is trying to unload almost the exact same spec (built 9/2017) for $34.7k!
But, as I noted above, I can't register a new non-California smog compliant vehicle. It either has to have a CA cert or have over 7,500 mile to be consider used.
My conundrum is whether it's worth it to buy a truck that's been sitting around for 18 months or more. Sure it's technically "new", but it's most likely lot worn. But, $35k+- for a new 2018 truck stickered at $48-50k is tempting.
For example, here's a window sticker of a similar build from the same dealer, but with one interesting point of note. See it?
This truck was built in August 2017. Yep, 18 months old and still sitting in inventory. And this isn't a one-off; I've come across at least five (5) of them in SoCal. It's very tempting, because the dealers have around $10k+- margin under invoice to play with, so you can get a great deal. In fact, I spoke to a dealer in TX who is trying to unload almost the exact same spec (built 9/2017) for $34.7k!
But, as I noted above, I can't register a new non-California smog compliant vehicle. It either has to have a CA cert or have over 7,500 mile to be consider used.
My conundrum is whether it's worth it to buy a truck that's been sitting around for 18 months or more. Sure it's technically "new", but it's most likely lot worn. But, $35k+- for a new 2018 truck stickered at $48-50k is tempting.
Last edited by snerf; 03-06-2019 at 01:03 PM.
03-07-2019, 11:13 AM
#43
That's a beautiful truck. Can you post the door jamb labels (payload & GVWR)? Also, would it be possible for you to post a pic of the window sticker (or attach the .pdf)?
For anyone else who is interested, here's a window sticker from a late 2018 (note Sept build date) that is most closely configured w/o HDPP. Of interest is that it has both the 3.5L ecoboost upgrade, as well as the max tow package.
However, since it's a dealer truck still stuck in inventory, you can see they can't resist adding bling (302a package), as well as some other bells and whistles.
For anyone else who is interested, here's a window sticker from a late 2018 (note Sept build date) that is most closely configured w/o HDPP. Of interest is that it has both the 3.5L ecoboost upgrade, as well as the max tow package.
However, since it's a dealer truck still stuck in inventory, you can see they can't resist adding bling (302a package), as well as some other bells and whistles.
03-07-2019, 11:32 AM
#44
Ah, yes should have recognized the beautiful paint scheme.
Would it be possible for you to post the window sticker? It would be awesome to see the exact build document.
As I mentioned above, there are handfuls of 2018 3.5 ecoboost max tow vehicles sitting on dealer lots. They are willing to discount the hell out of them to finally have them gone.
The problem is, even though they have the 3.5 & MT option, they also have anywhere from $4-5k extra bling (primarily 302a), along with sport and some other oddball accessories. Of course, that adds not only $, but also weight.
So, the question becomes, is a truck stickered at $48k that can be had for $36k "worth it"? (Not to mention knowing payload is around 1,800 lbs. vs 2,500+ for HDPP) Or, is it better to just order a new 2019 - like yours - with exactly what you want, and pay the freight accordingly?
Having the window sticker would help immensely in getting the exact configuration.
Would it be possible for you to post the window sticker? It would be awesome to see the exact build document.
As I mentioned above, there are handfuls of 2018 3.5 ecoboost max tow vehicles sitting on dealer lots. They are willing to discount the hell out of them to finally have them gone.
The problem is, even though they have the 3.5 & MT option, they also have anywhere from $4-5k extra bling (primarily 302a), along with sport and some other oddball accessories. Of course, that adds not only $, but also weight.
So, the question becomes, is a truck stickered at $48k that can be had for $36k "worth it"? (Not to mention knowing payload is around 1,800 lbs. vs 2,500+ for HDPP) Or, is it better to just order a new 2019 - like yours - with exactly what you want, and pay the freight accordingly?
Having the window sticker would help immensely in getting the exact configuration.
Last edited by snerf; 03-07-2019 at 11:35 AM.
03-07-2019, 12:56 PM
#45
Ah, yes should have recognized the beautiful paint scheme.
Would it be possible for you to post the window sticker? It would be awesome to see the exact build document.
As I mentioned above, there are handfuls of 2018 3.5 ecoboost max tow vehicles sitting on dealer lots. They are willing to discount the hell out of them to finally have them gone.
The problem is, even though they have the 3.5 & MT option, they also have anywhere from $4-5k extra bling (primarily 302a), along with sport and some other oddball accessories. Of course, that adds not only $, but also weight.
So, the question becomes, is a truck stickered at $48k that can be had for $36k "worth it"? (Not to mention knowing payload is around 1,800 lbs. vs 2,500+ for HDPP) Or, is it better to just order a new 2019 - like yours - with exactly what you want, and pay the freight accordingly?
Having the window sticker would help immensely in getting the exact configuration.
Would it be possible for you to post the window sticker? It would be awesome to see the exact build document.
As I mentioned above, there are handfuls of 2018 3.5 ecoboost max tow vehicles sitting on dealer lots. They are willing to discount the hell out of them to finally have them gone.
The problem is, even though they have the 3.5 & MT option, they also have anywhere from $4-5k extra bling (primarily 302a), along with sport and some other oddball accessories. Of course, that adds not only $, but also weight.
So, the question becomes, is a truck stickered at $48k that can be had for $36k "worth it"? (Not to mention knowing payload is around 1,800 lbs. vs 2,500+ for HDPP) Or, is it better to just order a new 2019 - like yours - with exactly what you want, and pay the freight accordingly?
Having the window sticker would help immensely in getting the exact configuration.
03-07-2019, 01:14 PM
#46
Yes, exactly. I'm 99% committed to getting a new fully configured HDPP/MT. It's just hard to resist the idea of a "deal" until you drill down through the actual details.
Having your window sticker would help a lot in checking off the correct configuration. I'm not overly concerned about MSRP and other $ considerations - to an extent.
It's just that I've now studied so many window stickers (on line) that I've become pretty good at reading/recognizing the various options and configurations.
Having yours in hand would provide an excellent guideline to make sure I was getting everything I was expecting on my own order.
Having your window sticker would help a lot in checking off the correct configuration. I'm not overly concerned about MSRP and other $ considerations - to an extent.
It's just that I've now studied so many window stickers (on line) that I've become pretty good at reading/recognizing the various options and configurations.
Having yours in hand would provide an excellent guideline to make sure I was getting everything I was expecting on my own order.
03-07-2019, 01:36 PM
#47
I was searching hard for a 2018 crew cab 6.5 bed truck due to the deep discounts, but I ended up finding that a 2019 STX with the same configuration came out lower cost than a 2018 loaded XLT with the current available incentives for both trucks. That's what I'm going with after all this nation wide searching. I can second the comment that there are plenty of max tow 2018 trucks still out there, but the ones that are left are all the ones on the higher end of the price range for an XLT. You also need to watch out with the max tow XLT's that you get one that came from the factory with 20" wheels, otherwise you are leaving capability on the table.
03-07-2019, 02:09 PM
#48
Grumpy Old Man
03-07-2019, 02:19 PM
#49
Yes, exactly. I'm 99% committed to getting a new fully configured HDPP/MT. It's just hard to resist the idea of a "deal" until you drill down through the actual details.
Having your window sticker would help a lot in checking off the correct configuration. I'm not overly concerned about MSRP and other $ considerations - to an extent.
It's just that I've now studied so many window stickers (on line) that I've become pretty good at reading/recognizing the various options and configurations.
Having yours in hand would provide an excellent guideline to make sure I was getting everything I was expecting on my own order.
Having your window sticker would help a lot in checking off the correct configuration. I'm not overly concerned about MSRP and other $ considerations - to an extent.
It's just that I've now studied so many window stickers (on line) that I've become pretty good at reading/recognizing the various options and configurations.
Having yours in hand would provide an excellent guideline to make sure I was getting everything I was expecting on my own order.
My sticker basically is what happens if you order it with everything but the rattle roof, or side steps. The payload surprised me a bit as my 18, which was similar but did NOT have tailgate, remote start, 110 volt was 50 lbs less. Either they build them lighter for 2019, or the scale got recalibrated, I was expecting a 2400 lb payload, not 2500. Or it is luck of the draw. Whatever, nice little bonus! It has sync3, nav, yada yada.
Cliffnotes on the long price under invoice thread: Subtract freight, and take 10 percent off the remainder. That is your minimum goal and does not consider PCOs, which I recently received too.
Last edited by F175; 03-07-2019 at 02:22 PM.
03-07-2019, 02:25 PM
#50
But read and understand the fine print. 20" wheels will result in the highest tow rating, but not necessarily the heaviest trailer you can tow without being overloaded. Payload capacity (GVWR minus weight of the truck) is usually the limiter as to max trailer weight. Not tow rating (GCWR minus the weight of the truck). You should probably ignore tow rating and maximize payload capacity if you want to tow the heaviest possible trailer without being overloaded.
Last edited by F175; 03-07-2019 at 02:53 PM.