acdii

Dude, 259 pounds. 10 gallons of gas 63. Moonroof 64 pounds. PRB 57 pounds. All added up, 443 pounds, so as I said, I expected a 200 or so lower weight. I actually am carrying less stuff in this truck too, the only unknown is the weight of the Lakeland compared to the ARE.

17F150SCBoost

Can you tell us more of what your truck is? HDPL, Max tow or? What does your payload sticker say? What was the Load weight with the 29er?

Wondering if there is a difference in the Hitch base location using different mounts? Sounds funny to have any fiver hitch behind the axle, but my understanding is that the load is not with the Anderson adapter, but the hitch base? What base are you using?

Would like to hear hitch options you look at.

We are currently towing a conventional trailer, with a 17 ext cab 6.5' bd 3.5 Eb max tow with a 1870 payload. Looking a going to a 23-26' 5er with a 1200 lb payload. Weight of the hitch system, it self, seems critical to make this work.

I have updated the suspension with Bilsteins, rear sway bar, bags, and the most recent upgrade is 9.5" wide 18" wheels. So far the SL goodyear tires are holding up with 45 PSI in them, the wheel width is making a huge difference in the stability, so far, but need to tow with them to confirm my empty evaluation. We have put over 3500 miles on the combination per wheels and seems safe. Reese Steadi flex hitch make it work in my book.

Good luck I will be watching this thread to see how your evaluation works out for you.

Apples

That's where it should be. Why was there any load center behind the rear axle in the first place?

*headscratch*

johndeerefarmer

The design of the Andersen hitch puts the load behind the rear axle.

I have the gooseneck version. It is not reversible per Andersen so I can't move the pin weight farther forward. I also have the coupler reversed which moves the weight forward and keeps the back of the pin from contacting the sides of the truck. This is all that Andersen recommended but I had already done that.

The truck is max tow. Payload is 1850 lbs.

If the new lighter pin weight RV had of worked but the heavier one didn't then i would blame it on the heavy trailer. Since both did the same it's not the truck. Even though the B&W hitch is 200 lbs heavier than the Andersen Ultimate it works great- so overloading the truck isn't the issue.

So far I have not found anyone on any forum that is running the Andersen hitch on a new F150.


This is what the hitch looks like.

PerryB

It's actually a lot more than one inch, closer to 4 probably. The B&W is +1" but the Andersen appears to be -3".
I've looked at Andersen products and they leave me underwhelmed. The 5er conversions look to be pretty flimsy and the weight distributors don't distribute weight. Also questionable in the sway department due to the design of the friction component. I probably earned a few new enemies but I can live with that

mass-hole

My guess is the only trucks that weighs 700 lbs less are the 157" screws or maybe the 163" supercab. Anything smaller has less aluminum sheet metal swapped out and less frame weight savings. The 2014 157" trucks has a .15" thick frame while the new ones I think are only .1 or something. 145" trucks were .11" and are now .1"

So basically, just like tow ratings, the maximum weight savings of 700 lbs is only on a very specific configuration.

5.0GN tow

The change in thickness is because the old 145 frames were made of high strength steel before and had a higher RBM or actual strength than the HDPP trucks. The old HDPP trucks used 36k psi frames and the 145s used 49.5k psi frames. Now they all use the stronger steel. RBM is how commercial trucks are rated for frame strength, its a formula based on Section Modulus and yield strength of the material. Thicker does not always mean stronger, nor does higher sectional modulous. Its about material in combination with the other two.

mass-hole

my guess is the density of the steel was roughly the same and my point was the 700 lb weight drop occured in the 157" trucks, not the 145" trucks, since the frame thickness was drastically reduced.

5.0GN tow

You are correct the weight drop would be signifigant on the thicker frames. I was pointing out that the way they were able to thin them out was by going to stronger steel, thereby saving weight and imcreasing strength. My 13 145 SCAB was on 5480 with my over rail tool box, bed mat, spray in liner, me and the GN hitch in place. It would be hard to see that truck drop 700bs to me.

johndeerefarmer

From my post #6

"My 13 KR: Weighted truck at the scrap yard. With my toolbox (40#) tools (50#) air bags (40#) Gooseneck hitch (93# ) Line x bedliner (60 lbs) Weighed 6340 lbs
This truck had a GVWR of 7700lbs - payload of 1545 lbs= 6155 lbs. Take all of my accessories off and it's pretty close

New truck 7050-1752 lbs payload = 5298 lbs.

Where I come from that's over 800 lbs difference.

The KR had a moonroof. Other than that they were identical"

So yes 700 lbs is possible. Ford said up to 700 lbs. They did not say all trucks would drop 700 lbs.