F-250 vs F-150?
09-15-2017, 08:53 PM
#11
A gas F350 is on my short list for my next truck.
09-15-2017, 09:22 PM
#12
My Dad just sold his 97 7.3 Powerstroke with only 84k miles on it a few months ago for 15k. He took great care of the truck and the truck was still running strong... but he wanted a 2015 F250 Platinum more than keeping his truck.
As suggested, look for rust and see if you can get one from the California/Arizona/New Mexico/Texas area... that way the 4x4 system more than likely was not used much and the chance for rust is lower because of no salt on the roads from snowy weather.
As suggested, look for rust and see if you can get one from the California/Arizona/New Mexico/Texas area... that way the 4x4 system more than likely was not used much and the chance for rust is lower because of no salt on the roads from snowy weather.
09-15-2017, 10:30 PM
#13
Going through build and price and picking the exact options my current truck has and only choosing 501A puts the truck at 56,335. Going to 502A puts it at 59600. I think my 2014 502A falls somewhere between the two as far as options. That doesnt even include the moon roof which puts the truck at 61000.
A 302A XLT with my added options has the same MSRP as my truck.
Thats a large pill to swallow in only a few years.
A 302A XLT with my added options has the same MSRP as my truck.
Thats a large pill to swallow in only a few years.
2007 vs 2018
5.4 vs 5.0
4 speed vs 10 speed
4A vs 4x4
Heated and cooled seats
$3k more.
Its the options that cost more. Heck, I bet the XLTs have more options than my 2007 Lariat. I didn't even have heated seats in that thing. I think we forget how many options we have now vs 10 years ago and most of us make a lot more money now. JMO on what I see with my own eyes.
YMMV
Most years, we see a $200-400 price increase and its improved.
Edit: I had the chrome package back in 2007, so an equivalent 2018 would be $51,800 if you could get the chrome with a base model Lariat.
Also inflation since 2007: A 47k truck would cost $55,700 now.
Last edited by jcb206; 09-15-2017 at 11:24 PM.
09-16-2017, 09:09 PM
#14
What the OP is not taking into consideration is, That F-150 HDPP will in no way shape or form have near the same payload as a f-250 gasser with the same options.
THE REASON IS, ALL THE OPTIONS YOUR ADDING TO THE F150HDPP WILL REDUCE THE ACTUAL PAYLOAD DOWN TO JUST OVER 2,000LBS. It will not have the payload listed in the ford specs on their website. THOSE SPECS ARE FOR BASE MODEL XLs with not one single options. so crank windows, no cruise control rubber floor, NO NOTHIN.
EVERY OPTION ADDED REDUCES PAYLOAD. EVERY TRIM LEVEL UP REDUCES PAYLOAD. running boards reduces payload about 60lbs, sliding rear glass reduces payload by about 40lbs and so on...
OVERLOOK THE DETAILS AND IT WILL ALWAYS CREATE PROBLEMS.
Google FORD FLEET F150 ARC PDF. This PDF will show you how much each option reduces actual payload.
Just trying to help. I have a very lightly options XLT HDPP SCREW. Actual payload per the door sticker is 2,523lbs. A lightly optioned F250XLT will be closer to 3,000lbs of payload or possibly higher..
Jus trying to educate and help.
THE REASON IS, ALL THE OPTIONS YOUR ADDING TO THE F150HDPP WILL REDUCE THE ACTUAL PAYLOAD DOWN TO JUST OVER 2,000LBS. It will not have the payload listed in the ford specs on their website. THOSE SPECS ARE FOR BASE MODEL XLs with not one single options. so crank windows, no cruise control rubber floor, NO NOTHIN.
EVERY OPTION ADDED REDUCES PAYLOAD. EVERY TRIM LEVEL UP REDUCES PAYLOAD. running boards reduces payload about 60lbs, sliding rear glass reduces payload by about 40lbs and so on...
OVERLOOK THE DETAILS AND IT WILL ALWAYS CREATE PROBLEMS.
Google FORD FLEET F150 ARC PDF. This PDF will show you how much each option reduces actual payload.
Just trying to help. I have a very lightly options XLT HDPP SCREW. Actual payload per the door sticker is 2,523lbs. A lightly optioned F250XLT will be closer to 3,000lbs of payload or possibly higher..
Jus trying to educate and help.
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09-18-2017, 08:00 AM
#15
I'm loosely looking for my next truck and the 3/4 tons have caught my eye as well. They are priced near or under the 1/2 tons in many cases but, as mentioned above, the fuel economy is the biggest deterrent for me. If they come up with some different engine options with better fuel economy (aside from spending $8k on the diesel), I'd jump on it. Right now, I'm holding out for the 2018 F150 diesel to see what that noise is all about.
09-18-2017, 08:20 AM
#16
What the OP is not taking into consideration is, That F-150 HDPP will in no way shape or form have near the same payload as a f-250 gasser with the same options.
THE REASON IS, ALL THE OPTIONS YOUR ADDING TO THE F150HDPP WILL REDUCE THE ACTUAL PAYLOAD DOWN TO JUST OVER 2,000LBS. It will not have the payload listed in the ford specs on their website. THOSE SPECS ARE FOR BASE MODEL XLs with not one single options. so crank windows, no cruise control rubber floor, NO NOTHIN.
EVERY OPTION ADDED REDUCES PAYLOAD. EVERY TRIM LEVEL UP REDUCES PAYLOAD. running boards reduces payload about 60lbs, sliding rear glass reduces payload by about 40lbs and so on...
OVERLOOK THE DETAILS AND IT WILL ALWAYS CREATE PROBLEMS.
Google FORD FLEET F150 ARC PDF. This PDF will show you how much each option reduces actual payload.
Just trying to help. I have a very lightly options XLT HDPP SCREW. Actual payload per the door sticker is 2,523lbs. A lightly optioned F250XLT will be closer to 3,000lbs of payload or possibly higher..
Jus trying to educate and help.
THE REASON IS, ALL THE OPTIONS YOUR ADDING TO THE F150HDPP WILL REDUCE THE ACTUAL PAYLOAD DOWN TO JUST OVER 2,000LBS. It will not have the payload listed in the ford specs on their website. THOSE SPECS ARE FOR BASE MODEL XLs with not one single options. so crank windows, no cruise control rubber floor, NO NOTHIN.
EVERY OPTION ADDED REDUCES PAYLOAD. EVERY TRIM LEVEL UP REDUCES PAYLOAD. running boards reduces payload about 60lbs, sliding rear glass reduces payload by about 40lbs and so on...
OVERLOOK THE DETAILS AND IT WILL ALWAYS CREATE PROBLEMS.
Google FORD FLEET F150 ARC PDF. This PDF will show you how much each option reduces actual payload.
Just trying to help. I have a very lightly options XLT HDPP SCREW. Actual payload per the door sticker is 2,523lbs. A lightly optioned F250XLT will be closer to 3,000lbs of payload or possibly higher..
Jus trying to educate and help.
Now add a diesel engine to the F250 and watch the payload drop.
I would never have a gasser in a SD unless you enjoy constant gearshifting and subpar fuel economy
09-18-2017, 08:52 AM
#17
Brown coat independent
I just bought my 09 F150 for towing and did a lot of research on an RV forum as they know the towing life in depth and then some. The first question you have to ask yourself when looking for the tow vehicle (TV) is what are you going to be pulling? 5th wheel? Bumper pull? How are you going to be using the TV? A DD? Or dedicated TV? Do you have room to upgrade to a bigger RV later?
I thought long and hard about this because my TT is brand new (2018) and I specifically wanted something less than 24" because most campgrounds (not RV parks) this is about as big as you can get (campgrounds vary so YMMV). My next TV would be my DD so I opted for gas, and I didn't want to drive a 3/4 ton or full ton truck around every where. I was looking at used so there were plenty of diesel 3/4 ton deals to be had and getting a gasser in the HD series just wasn't going to happen. The older diesels don't like stop and go traffic and the maintenance off sets any fuel economy they offered.
Yes, the payloads are much higher but considering I know my tongue weight, my family weight, and everything else fits in the TT quite easily (max GVWR 6050#) I ended up with the FX4 even though I could have scored an 06 Duramax 5.9L Screw for about the same price or a 7.4L Screw long bed even cheaper. This means if I decide to upgrade on my TT that means a new TV as well but truth be told, my next upgrade will probably be a smaller TT once my daughter is out on her own. We like boon docking more than anything and larger rigs limit that ability for where we like to go.
In my book the only time I would invest in a HD series is if I was constantly needing the payload/tow capacities that class offers because otherwise you are throwing a lot of money away on maintenance and fuel. You might break even on either truck new but how much is it going to cost you for ownership on an annual basis? And yes, I have owned both. For me, the F150 suited my needs fine this time around and the options it came with are both a blessing and a curse depending on what's broke.
I thought long and hard about this because my TT is brand new (2018) and I specifically wanted something less than 24" because most campgrounds (not RV parks) this is about as big as you can get (campgrounds vary so YMMV). My next TV would be my DD so I opted for gas, and I didn't want to drive a 3/4 ton or full ton truck around every where. I was looking at used so there were plenty of diesel 3/4 ton deals to be had and getting a gasser in the HD series just wasn't going to happen. The older diesels don't like stop and go traffic and the maintenance off sets any fuel economy they offered.
Yes, the payloads are much higher but considering I know my tongue weight, my family weight, and everything else fits in the TT quite easily (max GVWR 6050#) I ended up with the FX4 even though I could have scored an 06 Duramax 5.9L Screw for about the same price or a 7.4L Screw long bed even cheaper. This means if I decide to upgrade on my TT that means a new TV as well but truth be told, my next upgrade will probably be a smaller TT once my daughter is out on her own. We like boon docking more than anything and larger rigs limit that ability for where we like to go.
In my book the only time I would invest in a HD series is if I was constantly needing the payload/tow capacities that class offers because otherwise you are throwing a lot of money away on maintenance and fuel. You might break even on either truck new but how much is it going to cost you for ownership on an annual basis? And yes, I have owned both. For me, the F150 suited my needs fine this time around and the options it came with are both a blessing and a curse depending on what's broke.
09-18-2017, 12:42 PM
#18
Cost is what held me back from just going back to an F350. I had no problem driving an F350 Screw Diesel Dually with an 8' bed everyday, and for the longest time, it actually cost less to drive than the 01 F150 I had. Diesel was cheap, oil was cheap, and it got 18 MPG all day. It was also fun to blow smoke at a fart can civic with overly loud rattling truck.
That all changed when diesel went to $5 a gallon and Rotella T went to $15 a gallon. Since diesel is now on par with gas, the cost variable for fuel is negligible, but the maintenance costs outweigh it vastly. Diesel oil is still very expensive, and there is a lot of it, along with DEF, and any other filters to be replaced.
Unless I go back to a 7.3, with no Cat's, no PF, no DEF, none of that EGR crap, buying a newer SD Diesel is a losing game as a DD since I don't tow often enough to justify it. Our TT is big enough to grow into, and when we outgrow it, then I will decide if it is time for a SD. By then, Ford may have a gas option that is better than the current diesel in output and MPG.
Now if Ford can figure out how to keep my current truck from wandering around, I will be quite content with it for the next few years.
That all changed when diesel went to $5 a gallon and Rotella T went to $15 a gallon. Since diesel is now on par with gas, the cost variable for fuel is negligible, but the maintenance costs outweigh it vastly. Diesel oil is still very expensive, and there is a lot of it, along with DEF, and any other filters to be replaced.
Unless I go back to a 7.3, with no Cat's, no PF, no DEF, none of that EGR crap, buying a newer SD Diesel is a losing game as a DD since I don't tow often enough to justify it. Our TT is big enough to grow into, and when we outgrow it, then I will decide if it is time for a SD. By then, Ford may have a gas option that is better than the current diesel in output and MPG.
Now if Ford can figure out how to keep my current truck from wandering around, I will be quite content with it for the next few years.
09-18-2017, 02:10 PM
#19
Senior Member
I think at this point, the current generation of F150 pulls worse than the previous, it should point people towards a SD earlier than before.
Im far more likely to buy a F350 now. My Current 16 has all the power, but none of the stability you want pulling anything with surface area
Im far more likely to buy a F350 now. My Current 16 has all the power, but none of the stability you want pulling anything with surface area
09-18-2017, 02:21 PM
#20
Senior Member
I think at this point, the current generation of F150 pulls worse than the previous, it should point people towards a SD earlier than before.
Im far more likely to buy a F350 now. My Current 16 has all the power, but none of the stability you want pulling anything with surface area
Im far more likely to buy a F350 now. My Current 16 has all the power, but none of the stability you want pulling anything with surface area
The 2017 with the 3.5L Gen 2 Ecoboost and 10 speed transmission pulls hands down better then the other 2.