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Old 12-23-2012, 12:23 PM
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6.5 foot with that fifth wheel with MaxTow and HD payload will be fine. You should probably be sure you have an extended pin or a slider hitch. Otherwise, that should be good.
Old 12-23-2012, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by atvtinker
I'm looking at buying a 2013 F-150 Supercrew w/ 6 1/2' bed either with the Ecoboost engine or the 6.2l with the max payload package. I plan on pulling a 33' fifth wheel with a 1400# pin weight and trailer weight of 7400#.
That sounds like the dry pin weight, so it will have lot more hitch weight when wet and loaded for the road. For example, a similar Keystone Hornet model 295BHS is 32'3" long with a dry weight of 7907 and a dry hitch weight of 1,445. But the wet and loaded trailer weight is 10,245 and the wet and loaded hitch weight is about 1,800 pounds.

Assuming you order your EcoBoost with both the HD payload pkg and the max tow pkg, then your GVWR will be 8,200 and your GCWR will be 17,100 pounds. The wet and loaded pickup will gross about 6,500 pounds, leaving 1,700 pounds for max hitch weight and 10,600 for max gross trailer weight.

So if your actual wet and loaded hitch weight is 1,800 pounds, and your tow vehicle weighs 6,500 pounds (including 5er hitch, passengers, tools, and a full tank of gas) before you back up to the trailer, you're going to be overloaded by 100 pounds over the GVWR of the truck.

If your wet and loaded truck weighs 6,500 pounds, add 10,245 wet and loaded trailer weight and you get 16,745, or a little under the 17,l00 GCWR.

So you can pull that trailer without exceeding the GCWR of the tow vehicle, but you cannot haul the hitch weight without slightly exceeding the GVWR of the tow vehicle.

So be certain you order your new F-150 with both the HD payload pkg and the max towing package.

I only tow this trailer twice a year and never more than 1000 miles one way,
If you have a wreck while being overloaded just a little bit, it doesn't matter if you're one mile or 1000 miles from home. You're in deep kimshi regardless.

Will the Ecoboost hold up to this much towing?
Yes. The GCWR is an excellent indicator as to whether you'll overheat or bend or break anything in the drivetrain while towing. So the EcoBoost will handle it, no problem - provided you have both the HD payload pkg and the max tow pkg and you keep the combined weight down to under 17,100 pounds.

How much trouble is the fifth wheel in this short bed?
No trouble at all with the 6.5' bed, provided you spend the big bucks for a SuperGlide hitch. As a minimum, you need a sliding 5er hitch, but the SuperGlide is fully automatic, so you won't need to worry about sliding the hitch before you back up.
http://www.pullrite.com/superglide_4100.htm

Also will I need to airbag or use air cells with this suspension?
Probably. Because you'll be slightly overloaded over the GVWR of the truck, if you tow that trailer with the stock rear suspension your headlights will probably aim at the stars, blinding oncoming drivers. First check out Ride-Rite auxiliary air springs. Other brands are available, but Ride-Rite is the industry standard. The website hasn't been updated past the 2012 models yet, but call them and I'm sure thay have a kit for your 2013 F-150
http://www.firestoneip.com/RideRite/index.aspx
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:05 PM
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Thanks for the info Smokeywren. My max loaded weight on the RV is 9000#. I never tow it with the tanks loaded. I had it weighed with our usual stuff at a certified scale and it weighed 8040#. I have an F-250 with the Ride-Rite airbags and I don't care for them as they stiffen up the ride too much when unloaded. I'm getting the F-150 for a daily driver and want to be to haul the RV without having to take the F-250. Diesel prices suck right now! Besides my F-250 is really setup to haul my 30ft gooseneck flat bed hence why I have the air bags on it. Someone mentioned about the Roadmaster setup, I might check on that setup.
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Originally Posted by atvtinker
Thanks for the info Smokeywren. My max loaded weight on the RV is 9000#. I never tow it with the tanks loaded. I had it weighed with our usual stuff at a certified scale and it weighed 8040#. I have an F-250 with the Ride-Rite airbags and I don't care for them as they stiffen up the ride too much when unloaded. I'm getting the F-150 for a daily driver and want to be to haul the RV without having to take the F-250. Diesel prices suck right now! Besides my F-250 is really setup to haul my 30ft gooseneck flat bed hence why I have the air bags on it. Someone mentioned about the Roadmaster setup, I might check on that setup.
Also keep in mind that the average family only loads about 1000-1500lbs to the dry weight when ready to camp. And if your not going to fill the fresh water tank you should be fine with the HD pkg and max tow pkg. There are a few guys on here towing 5ver's with there F150's that can help you out!

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Old 12-23-2012, 11:24 PM
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EcoboostKev, I noticed you have the 6.5' bed. Do you have a fifth wheel sliding hitch in yours? If so, which one did you go with? Looking at the Superglide, but am not sure about which one I should get. The 16k looks to be right, but am not sure the slide length will be enough. The 12k has a longer slide (about 22 inches), but is about 30% higher priced. My camper has an extended pin box, but the pin still sits 3" behind the front of the camper. I think it is also the longest pin box they make.
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Originally Posted by atvtinker
EcoboostKev, I noticed you have the 6.5' bed. Do you have a fifth wheel sliding hitch in yours? If so, which one did you go with? Looking at the Superglide, but am not sure about which one I should get. The 16k looks to be right, but am not sure the slide length will be enough. The 12k has a longer slide (about 22 inches), but is about 30% higher priced. My camper has an extended pin box, but the pin still sits 3" behind the front of the camper. I think it is also the longest pin box they make.
Sorry bud, No fifth wheel for me. I have a 33' travel trailer that i tow. I know nothing about fifth wheel hitches. Hopefully the guys that do tow 5vers will chime in and help you out. Good luck, Kevin
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Measure the distance between the center of the pin and the front corner of the camper. Add 10%. If the combined distance is less than the distance between the center of the fifth wheel hitch and the back of the truck, you are good to go, otherwise you need a slider.
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For this...



I use this type hitch/pin box and it works real nice...



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I like the idea of the sidewinder, but LOTS of RV companies will void your frame warranty if you use the sidewinder. I have never heard any of them say it will definitely over leverage the frame, but all of them say the potential is there, and they are not willing to invest the R&D to prove it will or will not cause undue stress.
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Originally Posted by RedOne

I use this type hitch/pin box and it works real nice...

Does the rails come out when you are not towing, or are they permanent mounted?


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