SIC_HDPP

I would go for the max row option and gain a little cushion. For 2015 you can get the max tow package with ou the tow mirrors if you don't like them.

KR Kodi

iTrader: (1)

Tongue weight of the trailer should be 10% to 15% of the loaded trailer's weight, with 12% being a real world minimum.


The trailer you're saying would weigh 8400 lbs, and 12% of that is 1008 lbs, and your WDH head will weigh at least 50 lbs.


Take a look under the rear bumper at the sticker on the hitch of the truck to see what the tongue weight limits are - I think you'll be pushing the limit of the hitch with more than 1050 lbs of weight on the receiver.


If you have 1058 lbs of tongue weight and WDH head, subtract that from 1609 and you have 551 lbs remaining for people and stuff in the cab and bed.


Bottom line - you'll not only have NO cushion, you'll be over the limits for that truck with that trailer weight.
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jmk00001

Thanks, everyone. I think with some actual numbers to work with, and you guy's guidance, the calculations are making more sense. Still not sure how to read Ford's Trailer Towing Selector chart for Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight, but it sounds like the limiting factor is payload capacity. I think I'm going to take the advice here to stick with my original plan and hold out for a truck with the max towing package. It's hard to wait though...really looking forward to this new truck! Thanks again, all.

acadianbob

Yes, I had to order mine. LONG 6 weeks . . . .

smokeywren

Forgetaboutit. The Ford Trailer Towing Selector is simplistic. It tells you only the maximum trailer weight you can pull PROVIDED the truck has no options other than the engine and drivetrain listed in the Selector, and there is absolutely nothing in the truck except a skinny driver.


Right. You can PULL a lot heavier trailer than you can haul the hitch weight of that trailer. Your concern should be hitch weight (tongue weight on a travel trailer (TT)).


4x4 or 4x2? It makes a difference. The GVWR is the same, but the 4x4 drivetrain weighs about 400 pounds more than the 4x2 drivetrain, so the available payload is about 400 pounds less on a 4x4.


You're dreaming. The Trailer Towing Selector has misled you to think it's possible to buy an F-150 off the lot that can tow a 10,000-pound trailer without being overloaded. Ain't gonna happen. With your intended use, to even have a prayer of towing that much trailer without being overloaded, you would need the HD Payload package. But your dream truck is a shorty, and the HD Payload package is not available on a shorty.


Suck it up. You'll be sorry if you settle for a truck that won't do the job, or a truck that is not exactly what you want - assuming Ford offers exactly what you want. Why settle for less, given the huge price you'll be paying for that truck.


For your use, you need to change your desire for a shorty and go for the 6.5' bed, then order the HD Payload package along with the Max Tow package. Yes, I said order, not try to find one you can drive this month. Yes, it's a nail-biting experience to order a new truck then wait 6-weeks to two months for your dealer to get it off the car-hauler from the factory, but then you'll be a happy camper for the time you own that truck.


Or if the 5.5' shorty bed is an absolute requirement, then you need to reduce the weight of any trailer you buy to about 6,000 pounds GVWR. Use the GVWR of the trailer as the max weight of the trailer. You won't have any cushion as to the weight you can tow, but at least you won't be overloaded if you limit the trailer to a GVWR of 6,000 pounds, then don't overload the trailer.


I ordered my first new vehicle way back in 1965, a new StingRay coupe. And I've ordered several new vehicles over the years. Of my current three vehicles, I ordered all three - F-150, Venza, and Miata MX5. The dealers didn't have my exact vehicle in stock, so I ordered to get exactly what I wanted. Even with that didn't get the exact MX5 I wanted, because Mazda didn't make a white hardtop with tan interior. But my grey MX5 is as close as I could get to my exact specs.


On my F-150, I outsmarted myself. I didn't want the 3.73 axle required to get the max tow pkg, so ordered the regular tow pkg. But now I'm slightly overloaded over my available payload with my TT that grosses only 4,870 pounds with 650 pounds of tongue weight when wet and loaded on the road.

BAM298

*cough* f250+ *cough*

tony montana

Agreed. Buy a 250. You will have no worries then. It's what I did. Loved my 150, but it simply wasn't up to the task hauling my tt. Ecoboost was great but my suspension just didnt like it. Now with the 250 I feel way more secure towing my tt.

smokeywren

The F-250 CrewCab shorty has a 6.5' bed - the really short 5.5' bed is not available above the F-150 . And the wonderful twin turbo 3.5L EcoBoost engine is not available in the F-250. Most folks say the 6.4L gas engine in an F-250 is not adequate for towing a 9,000-pound trailer. The GVWR is 10,000 pounds, which is adequate as long as you're talking about the tongue weight of an 8,000-pound TT, but inadequate for most 5ers or heavier TTs. The next engine up is the wonderful Ford-designed and built 6.7L PowerStroke diesel, but that's a $9,000 jump in MSRP.

brulaz

Unfortunately it looks like the 2015 F150 HD Payload package is not being built.
Only a test version or so were built. But apparently it can be ordered for the 2016 model in August.

And it's true that the 6.2L V8 would be a step down from the Ecoboost, especially in the high mountains as it's not a turbo and doesn't have quite the low-end grunt even at sea level. But it's still a good, reliable engine, and with it in the F250 there's quite a bit of payload, many are around 3000#. And right now, 2015 F250s have better discounts than the 2015 F150s, at least around here.

And if you need more payload there's always the F350. It's the diesel F250s that really lack payload, as the engine+emissions weigh at least 800# more than the 6.2L. There you want to get an F350, if you can afford it,

But personally I'm waiting for 2016-2017. Then you should be able to order an F150 HD Payload, the new Al-bodied F250s will be coming out (maybe with the EcoBoost?) and the new Nissan Titan XD will be out with the 5L Cummins diesel. All should be great tow trucks for the 7500# and up trailer crowd.

It's going to be interesting.

tony montana

You are correct about payload with a diesel f250. I have a king ranch with all the options and my payload is 2100. But it's still 800 more pounds better than my f150 was. Now I have read a few different things between the 350 and 250. I have heard the 250 is purposely number detuned and it's actually the exact truck as a 350 except for one helper spring and a 2 inch block, where as the 350 Is rated to tow quite a bit more. So basically I hear the 250 can actually haul way more than the numbers actually say. But man how sweet would say a 5.0 ecoboost be in a 250.