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No, like I mentioned in my last post, towing weight and tongue weight are not the same. Tongue weight along with GVWR GCWR payload etc are how much weight the truck(hitch/frame/suspension/axles/wheels) can support. Towing weight capacity is how much the engine and transmission can pull and stop safely/legally. Two very different things.
Thank you for your help and input
So your saying this year, every 2018 that's gonna be showing 13200 or 12700 engine pulling power, will never have a hitch or axles to match that pulling power?
and the combined weight in book 18400 (pictured above ) is just a number that means nothing ??? Your saying no axle or hitch will ever hit the 18400 requirement the book is saying ???
Flat towed trailers can weigh 12700 pounds and have zero tongue weight. However, the hitch is still rated 500 pounds lower than that, and there is the real questions since its the amount of pull on the hitch that is now the limiting factor in all this.
Valid point, Ford missed something somewhere.
After seeing the different GVWR, GAWR and payload differences, I say screw it, and just set up the hitch right and go tow. I think Ford is just playing games with the numbers to make money on packages, because I can't see Ford stocking so many different axles.
Bottom line is my truck 5700lbs (truck weight). Deduct that from 18400 booklet shows combined leaves 12700 lbs towing like ford specs show online.
everything I read states weight distribution is needed after 5000lbs to reach my hitch rating of 12,200. Weight distribution levels weight on axles.
My question is Shouldn't new hitches be rated at 12,700 to match the how much you can tow in new 2018s rear framing. My 2018 hitch has a sticker staring 12200max tow rate
If that was the case, then I should be able to tow a 9000 lb trailer with mine...and I can't, legally. I'm maxed at 5000 lbs.
Your truck weight, is that the curb weight? If so....add your passengers and anything else you load into the truck to that weight. Include 100 lbs for your WDH also. For me that is around 420 lbs...JUST passengers and hitch! Add in a 700+ lbs for the tongue weight and I'm AT my payload rating....with a 5000 lb trailer. So...I'm maxed out with payload...and within 40 lbs of my rear GAWR. So, the brochure or Ford "specs" is wrong......even with the 7600 lb tow rating I'm supposed to have.
Remember, your hitch rating is not the determining factor here. It's that dang door sticker!
Flat towed trailers can weigh 12700 pounds and have zero tongue weight. However, the hitch is still rated 500 pounds lower than that, and there is the real questions since its the amount of pull on the hitch that is now the limiting factor in all this.
Valid point, Ford missed something somewhere.
After seeing the different GVWR, GAWR and payload differences, I say screw it, and just set up the hitch right and go tow. I think Ford is just playing games with the numbers to make money on packages, because I can't see Ford stocking so many different axles.
Bang on acdii! It's all promotion and marketing. Has anyone else emailed Ford and asked how we can tow what they say we can without being illegal? I'm still waiting for my answer from them.
Tow rating should and does include RAWR, GVWR, and GCWR. The SAE j2807 standard is a test of GCWR but you should be within all of the above ratings since it's very controlled test scenario. So they say he can pull 12,700 lbs with 10% tongue weight but the hitch is only rated for 1220 not 1270 so to me this truck does not meet the SAE j2807 standards because it can't even take the hitch load dictated by the standard. Many manufactures will use hitch rating as limiting factor for RAWR when towing conventional.
Bang on acdii! It's all promotion and marketing. Has anyone else emailed Ford and asked how we can tow what they say we can without being illegal? I'm still waiting for my answer from them.
id be illegal to haul my 12700 it's states cause I have a big sticker on my hitch that says 12,200. Like I say, I'd like to see hitch on the 13,200 tow truck. (2x4 max tow long bed )
Thank you for your help and input
So your saying this year, every 2018 that's gonna be showing 13200 or 12700 engine pulling power, will never have a hitch or axles to match that pulling power?
and the combined weight in book 18400 (pictured above ) is just a number that means nothing ??? Your saying no axle or hitch will ever hit the 18400 requirement the book is saying ???
You can tow up to your max tongue weight. Even the 2018 that can tow 13,200 lbs will max out at the tongue weight first.
BUT, it could tow a 13,200 lbs trailer with no tongue weight like this:
Because the front wheels are taking the weight, it's basically a farm wagon. This is when you're limited by that 13,200 because tongue weight is not an issue.
It is possible that Ford has tested and proven the hitch can take the load but has not updated the labeling. If that's the case then there asking for trouble. No you will not be illegal towing a private recreational vehicle at those weights, as with any type accident though there could be legal trouble. There lawyers(vultures) out there that specialize in accidents involving RVs looking for a payoff, overloading is the first thing they go after. By the way since most trailers should have minimum 10% hitch weight but most are in the 12.5% + range so that right there will drop the max trailer weight down to 10k.
You can tow up to your max tongue weight. Even the 2018 that can tow 13,200 lbs will max out at the tongue weight first.
BUT, it could tow a 13,200 lbs trailer with no tongue weight like this:
Because the front wheels are taking the weight, it's basically a farm wagon. This is when you're limited by that 13,200 because tongue weight is not an issue.
I agree with you. My 2018 I think should read 12,700 with weight distribution. And max tounge 1270. This is what mine reads. In book and ford website max tow is 12700
i mostly agree with user they probably updated and didn't change sticker. Cause my max tow bumper area on 18 does look different than my 2016 max tow
09-15-2017, 12:44 PM
