Will a tune effect long term reliability?
06-21-2016, 05:01 PM
#11
Senior Member
[QUOTE=violinguy77;4799574]
I take it you're real "close" with Shawn eh...like real, real close
More engines have been blown on SSI, end of story. I'm sure you frequent the pages Shawn dose on Facebook, soon as someone post that their engine threw a rod the post magically disappear. We're talking trucks with 2k miles on them to trucks with 80k miles and all mileage in between throwing rods then the owner getting belittled that they must have not done their maintenance.
You're obviously one of his minions, you are all over his nutts
Yeah there's so much wrong in his violinguy's reply i dont even want to touch it, but I run both 5 star and MPT in an otherwise stock truck and they both perform very similarly.
MPT has a smoother powerband, sharper shifting (running the middle ground shift strategy, cant remember what's that called) and all together better customer service. Ken Osbourne is a great guy from what i can gather and very informative.
5 star has better power down low, looser shifting (performance tow tune) and, now, traction control delete option which is great.
performance is nearly identical. All in all I think I'm switching back to the 5 star tune for a while, like the shifting strategy better and traction control delete.
Also, MPT will tailor your tune if you want something changed, I just haven't emailed them at all for revisions, which I would probably have them scale back some of the shifting stragety and firmness a bit.[/QUOUTE]
So you have never tried an SSI tune (or have you) but you know that what you are running is "better". And yet neither of those tuners has yet to exceed an SSI tune on any platform. And your comment about power down low....I don't even know what to say. At least I have proof. Enjoy the graph and the video and remember to post your dyno graphs of MPT and 5* producing more torque and power across the spectrum than the SSI2 tune depicted here. You did clearly state that 5* makes more power down low. And there are 4 levels of SSI tune FYI.
Video - Gearheads does a dyno pull with SSi2 93 Octane Performance Tune - YouTube
Graph - http://socaldiablo.com/forum/index.php?topic=4057.15
Please accept my humble apologies for my ambiguous statements, misleading comments, and unqualified remarks. The previous post littered with misinformation must have truly shaken you up. I certainly hope the concrete data here will help alleviate any stress you may have incurred. Remember, aspirin for headaches and midol for cramps.
MPT has a smoother powerband, sharper shifting (running the middle ground shift strategy, cant remember what's that called) and all together better customer service. Ken Osbourne is a great guy from what i can gather and very informative.
5 star has better power down low, looser shifting (performance tow tune) and, now, traction control delete option which is great.
performance is nearly identical. All in all I think I'm switching back to the 5 star tune for a while, like the shifting strategy better and traction control delete.
Also, MPT will tailor your tune if you want something changed, I just haven't emailed them at all for revisions, which I would probably have them scale back some of the shifting stragety and firmness a bit.[/QUOUTE]
So you have never tried an SSI tune (or have you) but you know that what you are running is "better". And yet neither of those tuners has yet to exceed an SSI tune on any platform. And your comment about power down low....I don't even know what to say. At least I have proof. Enjoy the graph and the video and remember to post your dyno graphs of MPT and 5* producing more torque and power across the spectrum than the SSI2 tune depicted here. You did clearly state that 5* makes more power down low. And there are 4 levels of SSI tune FYI.
Video - Gearheads does a dyno pull with SSi2 93 Octane Performance Tune - YouTube
Graph - http://socaldiablo.com/forum/index.php?topic=4057.15
Please accept my humble apologies for my ambiguous statements, misleading comments, and unqualified remarks. The previous post littered with misinformation must have truly shaken you up. I certainly hope the concrete data here will help alleviate any stress you may have incurred. Remember, aspirin for headaches and midol for cramps.
More engines have been blown on SSI, end of story. I'm sure you frequent the pages Shawn dose on Facebook, soon as someone post that their engine threw a rod the post magically disappear. We're talking trucks with 2k miles on them to trucks with 80k miles and all mileage in between throwing rods then the owner getting belittled that they must have not done their maintenance.
You're obviously one of his minions, you are all over his nutts
06-21-2016, 06:15 PM
#12
Senior Member
It all depends on how aggressive you want to go. I am a firm believe that the extra stress will shorten the lifespan slightly. I'm not talking a large amount by anymeans but it only makes sense. To me unless you are racing I would look into 5 Star. I ran their tunes for a couple years are really enjoyed the drive-ability. I always kept it on tow tune to prevent any issues from something like a failing sensor or bad fuel. Plus Stage 3 Motorsports uses them as a tuner, who is a site vendor, and will help support the site.
Last edited by vozaday; 06-21-2016 at 06:22 PM.
06-21-2016, 10:18 PM
#13
Jesus Christ violinguy, nobody gives a **** about SSI. You keep unnecessarily inserting yourself into the conversation with long drawn out BS that nobody cares about or asked for. Also, The fact that you equate more power as the absolute indicator of a good tune shows how little you know. Any half-assed tuner can push timing and various other things to make a tune 'fast', the question is overall reliability and that's what separates the men from the boys. You clearly have somrthing to gain from selling SSI propaganda or you have a screw loose, either way go kick rocks.
06-22-2016, 12:08 PM
#15
Senior Member
So much for discourse!
Jesus Christ violinguy, nobody gives a **** about SSI. You keep unnecessarily inserting yourself into the conversation with long drawn out BS that nobody cares about or asked for. Also, The fact that you equate more power as the absolute indicator of a good tune shows how little you know. Any half-assed tuner can push timing and various other things to make a tune 'fast', the question is overall reliability and that's what separates the men from the boys. You clearly have somrthing to gain from selling SSI propaganda or you have a screw loose, either way go kick rocks.
Here is the bottom line, Shawn bites back and he bites back hard. There is cursing, calling people out and all the other drama. The product is a damn fine product and THAT us what I stand behind, as is the service.
Please visit the forum and read my history over there. One time I as shut down here for advertising a special and I was informed this "advertising" was not allowed and I have respected the moderators since. This bloke asks about tunes and as far as you are concerned I have no business giving my reviews.
I'm not on a payroll or 1099 with SSI. As I stated I get to try new tunes as they comeout. I drive an N/A 5.0 so there isn't a whole lot left on the table at this point.
Hope you guys can see past the BS some day and not believe everything you read on the Internet.
And you still haven't backed up your previous statement regarding tune only driving and power being better....
I rest my case....and my fingers lol. You guys have a great week, no hard feelings here. I like that you are here to offer advice and participate in these discussions.
Last edited by violinguy77; 06-22-2016 at 02:19 PM.
06-22-2016, 03:07 PM
#16
Senior Member
So you have not run the tune and you have "proof" that a Ford mechanic diagnosed an engine that failed from an SSI tune. Not just words posted on the internet. Again I understand your perception but I'm not going to insult either of you or be a dick about it. You are both simply regurgitating what you read and hear without facts. And save the links please. I've read them all too. You're choosing to ignore the THOUSANDS of SSI customers based on a small percentage of unhappy customers.
Here is the bottom line, Shawn bites back and he bites back hard. There is cursing, calling people out and all the other drama. The product is a damn fine product and THAT us what I stand behind, as is the service.
Please visit the forum and read my history over there. One time I as shut down here for advertising a special and I was informed this "advertising" was not allowed and I have respected the moderators since. This bloke asks about tunes and as far as you are concerned I have no business giving my reviews.
I'm not on a payroll or 1099 with SSI. As I stated I get to try new tunes as they comeout. I drive an N/A 5.0 so there isn't a whole lot left on the table at this point.
Hope you guys can see past the BS some day and not believe everything you read on the Internet.
And you still haven't backed up your previous statement regarding tune only driving and power being better....
I rest my case....and my fingers lol. You guys have a great week, no hard feelings here. I like that you are here to offer advice and participate in these discussions.
Here is the bottom line, Shawn bites back and he bites back hard. There is cursing, calling people out and all the other drama. The product is a damn fine product and THAT us what I stand behind, as is the service.
Please visit the forum and read my history over there. One time I as shut down here for advertising a special and I was informed this "advertising" was not allowed and I have respected the moderators since. This bloke asks about tunes and as far as you are concerned I have no business giving my reviews.
I'm not on a payroll or 1099 with SSI. As I stated I get to try new tunes as they comeout. I drive an N/A 5.0 so there isn't a whole lot left on the table at this point.
Hope you guys can see past the BS some day and not believe everything you read on the Internet.
And you still haven't backed up your previous statement regarding tune only driving and power being better....
I rest my case....and my fingers lol. You guys have a great week, no hard feelings here. I like that you are here to offer advice and participate in these discussions.
OP, I think that running a tune can affect long term reliability, period. But here is the catch, the drive line has a "buffer" of the added strain it can take over stock engine output. So although a tune can help a motor generate more power that gets pushed through the drive line, it has little to no noticeable effect. You are very unlikely to have any issues created by a tune created by a reputable tuner. Heck, most of the tuners expand the knock sensor parameters and improve their effectiveness. The more effective a knock sensor is, the more likely it is to catch an issue. Improved shifting strategies can help keep temps down and extend the life of transmissions.
IMO, you start running into higher chances of issues when running hot tunes.