Why is there black soot build up on Ecoboost tail pipe?
#11
Senior Member
Soot is a byproduct of direct injection. On my 2010 Speed3, the soot permanently stained the chrome tipped exhaust pipes black in just 15,000 miles. Which is amazing because I ran that car through that wash at least once a week. Many people on the MazdaSpeedForums were literally painting their pipes black to make
them look more palatable.
them look more palatable.
#12
Originally Posted by 69428SCJ
Not to mention all the black soot and particles that were constantly on the rear bumper.
#13
Senior Member
Had a COBB SRI on ours but it still did it. It got a lot of highway miles put on it and I would really air it out the last 3 miles off the highway to my house. Amazing how much soot that little guy would blow out in second and third gear after 1K on the highway. It was a 2010 with stock programming. We had it for almost 2 years and 70K miles...never did come out with aftermarket tuning when we had it.
#14
Senior Member
My truck has almost zero soot. So little that I can run a finger in the tailpipe and it will only be slightly dirty. Aug 3 build date with 11k km on the odo. My Audi is also DI and the pipes are black. If the sooty pipes are a function of DI how is it possible that my truck has virtually no soot? When it was newer the pipe was dirty, but it has leaned out.
Last edited by Jaws1; 01-02-2012 at 11:08 PM.
#15
Originally Posted by Jaws1
My truck has almost zero soot. So little that I can run a finger in the tailpipe and it will only be slightly dirty. Aug 3 build date with 11k km on the odo. My Audi is also DI and the pipes are black. If the sooty pipes are a function of DI how is it possible that my truck has virtually no soot? When it was newer the pipe was dirty, but it has leaned out.
#17
From "The Best Octane for the Ecoboost Thread" by DieselDawg
Originally Posted by EBinMT
2) Premium fuels usually have more detergents as well. most applications this will have no real benefit as regular grade usaully has more than enough detergent, but if you have seen the black soot in the EB tailpipe this may be a good investment.
personally I prefer a mid grade from my local Exxon. I used to deliver Exxon fuels and know that station has only a Regular and Premium tank. Their Mid grade is the same price as the regular and is a 50/50 blend of premium and regular. so I am getting a little better octane and more detergent for the same price.
Actually there are "Top Tier" fuel providers that supply fuel with higher than minimum EPA standards fo detergents in fuels...those Top Tiers suppliers put the same detergent formulation in every grade (for the most part).
As for the "black soot", I think it is more from the fact that the Ecoboost does not have an EGR (mechanical) and uses the engines own characteristics :
This EcoBoost truck engine also features twin independent variable camshaft timing, or Ti-VCT, to help save fuel. Ti-VCT provides extremely precise variable – yet independent – control of timing for intake and exhaust valves. Ti-VCT also reduces emissions, especially in situations when the throttle is partially open.
***http://media.ford.com/article_displa...le_id=33260***
This means it will run a bit rich to reduce NOx for emissions
Originally Posted by EBinMT
2) Premium fuels usually have more detergents as well. most applications this will have no real benefit as regular grade usaully has more than enough detergent, but if you have seen the black soot in the EB tailpipe this may be a good investment.
personally I prefer a mid grade from my local Exxon. I used to deliver Exxon fuels and know that station has only a Regular and Premium tank. Their Mid grade is the same price as the regular and is a 50/50 blend of premium and regular. so I am getting a little better octane and more detergent for the same price.
Actually there are "Top Tier" fuel providers that supply fuel with higher than minimum EPA standards fo detergents in fuels...those Top Tiers suppliers put the same detergent formulation in every grade (for the most part).
As for the "black soot", I think it is more from the fact that the Ecoboost does not have an EGR (mechanical) and uses the engines own characteristics :
This EcoBoost truck engine also features twin independent variable camshaft timing, or Ti-VCT, to help save fuel. Ti-VCT provides extremely precise variable – yet independent – control of timing for intake and exhaust valves. Ti-VCT also reduces emissions, especially in situations when the throttle is partially open.
***http://media.ford.com/article_displa...le_id=33260***
This means it will run a bit rich to reduce NOx for emissions
Since then, Ford as well as other manufacturers have developed successive generations of feedback/closed-loop electronic engine controls. This led to better control of the fuel-air mixture and ignition timing, and has obviated the need for most of the previous emissions controls. I can't say about the 6.2 Boss that was used in the 2011 Harley-Davidson and the '11-14 Raptors, but none of the other 2011+ engines have EGR. All of them have the same type of emissions controls, valve gear, and ECU capabilities excepting the naturally aspirated units do not have a turbocharger.
Soot is a known by-product of DI gasoline engines due to less fuel-air mixing than with conventional carbureted and port injection engines, as there is less time and distance for the mixing to occur. Fuel type also makes a difference as gasoline burns with much more soot than alcohol. I get a little soot in the tailpipe of my 5.0 if I run fuel with 10% or less ethanol, but if I run E85, there is none. It's not due to detergent. E85 has little detergent as only the gasoline portion has any detergent added, so E85 has typically 15-30% of the detergent as regular unleaded.