mr_diggs

Ya....I was just being a smartass. The point was that in the NA trucks, there is nowhere for the water/moisture to pool/condense.

f150man3.5

The point is...Op was talking about water coming in through the airbox...weather or not it has 15 feet of intake plumbing or not...all should suck in water from the airbox...N/A or not

MadocHandyman

I think the difference might compare to drinking out of a glass.
NA - like putting your mouth over the glass and inhaling
Turbo - using a straw

Hope you get the picture, seems like a good analogy in my head ;-)

11screw50

Well, maybe. Depends on the volume of air and size of the passage because really, it is all about the velocity though I do agree that if it were small amounts of water coming in through the intake it might be little enough that it does not affect the NA engines but it pools at a low/slow point in the EB until the velocity of the air increases enough to introduce a large slug of water.

I am still skeptical about this though because the air filter would be wet and to date I have not seen any posts claiming that the filter was wet.

klumb15

Usually does when you're 10 deep into a 12 pack. Regardless of how a motor makes it power, the air needed to make the same amount of HP is constant. i/e a 365 HP NA motor breathes the same amount of air as a 365 HP turbo motor. At least that's what makes sense in my head

Like already said, water is coming into the intake, only it's in a gaseous state. The only difference is the intercooler condenses it and holds onto it for a while.

MadocHandyman

I get it but what I'm getting at is if there is liquid water getting into the intake box as GermanEB suggested, it is getting sucked into the airstream before it has a chance to drain out of the box. That's assuming there is a drain in the bottom.
The NA engine doesn't have the suction a turbo would so it gets to drain away.
I don't recall anyone checking their filter to see if it was damp after an episode.

SkiSmuggs

Wouldn't the water be atomized as it is sucked in via the airbox? And wouldn't the volume of air flowing through the filter dry the filter out very quickly? Yet, you could still have air with the maximum humidity now going through the IC and condensing where it could now settle and be gulped at WOT. Just making guesses here, but then water ingested into the airbox would exacerbate the problem. Or maybe this was just an opportunity to use the word "exacerbate."

MadocHandyman

Exactly! You'll have more water in the air because it's not draining making it worse than NA. Adding all those spots for it to condense just makes things even worse.

19KFX4

Ive never had either problem, though i've never checked my IC to see for condensation, how would i go about doing that. anyways, my tuner is working fine, i'mgetting normal gas mileage, with no shutter, no st-udder, no loss of power, its been running normal for 28k love my Eco

11screw50

If the air is saturated, it will not dry the filter very quickly, if the air is not saturated, it is less likely to drop below dew point and if it does not drop below dew point, the water will not condense out.

As for water atomizing, maybe (sort of) but only if the air is not saturated as it passes through the airbox. If it is saturated, it cannot pick up any more water.

Either way, the water entering the system would be in vapor form, not droplets.

I still think it is a case of saturated air entering the system (not air being saturated by picking up water in the filter box) and condensing in the system. Light throttle means lower air flow to the engine, highway speeds means high flow across the outside of the coil. Add in rain or fog and now you've got a wet surface on the outside and evaporative cooling transferring even more heat away from the air inside...that would raise the potential for dropping the intake air below dew point. It appears the intercooler is too effective under those conditions.