Tuners....Possibly Voiding Warranty Per TSB.
11-16-2011, 07:45 PM
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Tuners....Possibly Voiding Warranty Per TSB.
TSB
11-7-7
FORD:
2011-2012 Mustang
2011 F-150
ISSUE:
Some 2011 F-150 and 2011-2012 Mustang vehicles equipped with 5.0L engine may have unauthorized modifications to the powertrain hardware and/or calibration which may result in exceeding component design limits. Such modifications could cause damage to the powertrain and/or void the factory powertrain warranty.
ACTION:
Follow the Service Guidelines.
SERVICE GUIDELINES
Inform owners that the current 5.0L calibrations adjust fuel and spark settings for maximum performance with production hardware, while protecting the engine over a wide range of operating conditions. This includes a knock sensor calibration enabling optimized performance based on fuel grade usage see Owner's Guide for details. Aftermarket hardware and calibrations risk damage to the engine.
Unauthorized calibration modifications may or may not be detectable using standard tools Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS), Portable Diagnostic Software (PDS), NGS+ VCM. Changes can be made to the calibration and flashed to the powertrain control module (PCM) through the on-board diagnostics (OBD) port. Physical modifications to the hardware may or may not be present. If aftermarket power/torque-increasing modifications are suspected, care should be taken to record and store the following items: Permanent diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs), pending DTCs, freeze frame data, mode 6 and mode 9 data. The data should be printed and attached to the repair order for later reference.
The DTCs, freeze frame data, mode 6 and 9 data can be obtained by using the IDS, PDS or NGS+VCM under tool box selection. The powertrain tab will provide the OBD test modes tab and mode 6 and 9 data selection after the vehicle has been identified.
Attempting to increase the engine output via recalibrating the PCM may result in poor drivability, DTCs, or component failures. A partial list of calibration induced component failures is given below:
Excessive Cylinder Pressure And Temperature
Increased RPM Limit/Overspeed
Knock Sensor Calibration Changes
Hardware Modifications:
The following list contains items that are frequently modified in an effort to increase the engines torque/power output. Modifying these items may, or may not improve the performance, but can lead to drivability issues, DTCs and possibly component failures:
Review Engine Damage:
Common failures associated with unauthorized modifications have included:
Figure 1 - Article 11-7-7
Figure 2 - Article 11-7-7
Figure 3 - Article 11-7-7
WARRANTY STATUS:
Information Only - Not Warrantable
NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford or Lincoln dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.
Copyright © 2011 Ford Motor Company
11-7-7
- AFTERMARKET POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE CALIBRATION - NON-FACTORY MODIFICATION OR AFTERMARKET COMPONENTS
FORD:
2011-2012 Mustang
2011 F-150
ISSUE:
Some 2011 F-150 and 2011-2012 Mustang vehicles equipped with 5.0L engine may have unauthorized modifications to the powertrain hardware and/or calibration which may result in exceeding component design limits. Such modifications could cause damage to the powertrain and/or void the factory powertrain warranty.
ACTION:
Follow the Service Guidelines.
SERVICE GUIDELINES
Inform owners that the current 5.0L calibrations adjust fuel and spark settings for maximum performance with production hardware, while protecting the engine over a wide range of operating conditions. This includes a knock sensor calibration enabling optimized performance based on fuel grade usage see Owner's Guide for details. Aftermarket hardware and calibrations risk damage to the engine.
Unauthorized calibration modifications may or may not be detectable using standard tools Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS), Portable Diagnostic Software (PDS), NGS+ VCM. Changes can be made to the calibration and flashed to the powertrain control module (PCM) through the on-board diagnostics (OBD) port. Physical modifications to the hardware may or may not be present. If aftermarket power/torque-increasing modifications are suspected, care should be taken to record and store the following items: Permanent diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs), pending DTCs, freeze frame data, mode 6 and mode 9 data. The data should be printed and attached to the repair order for later reference.
The DTCs, freeze frame data, mode 6 and 9 data can be obtained by using the IDS, PDS or NGS+VCM under tool box selection. The powertrain tab will provide the OBD test modes tab and mode 6 and 9 data selection after the vehicle has been identified.
Attempting to increase the engine output via recalibrating the PCM may result in poor drivability, DTCs, or component failures. A partial list of calibration induced component failures is given below:
Excessive Cylinder Pressure And Temperature
Increased RPM Limit/Overspeed
Knock Sensor Calibration Changes
Hardware Modifications:
The following list contains items that are frequently modified in an effort to increase the engines torque/power output. Modifying these items may, or may not improve the performance, but can lead to drivability issues, DTCs and possibly component failures:
Review Engine Damage:
Common failures associated with unauthorized modifications have included:
Figure 1 - Article 11-7-7
Figure 2 - Article 11-7-7
Figure 3 - Article 11-7-7
WARRANTY STATUS:
Information Only - Not Warrantable
NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford or Lincoln dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.
Copyright © 2011 Ford Motor Company
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11-16-2011, 07:56 PM
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I like it how all these companys think there **** doesn't stink, and that nobody else can do a better job then the "Ford" people. No wonder why this economey is in the ****s. Nobody will let anyone upgade there car or truck for fear of voiding the warntee.
I understand to a point. but where does it end. We got a letter today from VW stating that if we put an exhust on it could void major conponets of the vechical.
I understand to a point. but where does it end. We got a letter today from VW stating that if we put an exhust on it could void major conponets of the vechical.
11-16-2011, 08:05 PM
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This again...... Haven't we been through the whole void the warranty thing.. If you mod your truck and they feel a failure is due to it, they will try to void it, same as it has always been...
11-16-2011, 08:13 PM
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Maybe so but there is a TSB out on it now...it was just an FYI.
11-16-2011, 08:13 PM
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Everything on the vehicle is built to Fords specification. The motors are built to work with their tuning, their intake and their exhaust. Why should they warranty it if you change what it's built to work with.
Really though that TSB doesn't say anything that hasn't been true for years now. If a modification causes damage it's not covered by warranty, that's how it's always been. I can tell you though almost all cases of voided warranty are caused by abuse not necessarily the mods. One guy tried to get his mustang trans rebuilt and he had bald tires and 4.10s at like 15,000 miles.. The reason it wasn't covered wasn't the 4.10s, it was the fact that he was doing burn outs and racing and obviously abusing it to have bald tires that fast. Just keep that in mind, because you can void warranty in a stock truck by abusing it too..
Really though that TSB doesn't say anything that hasn't been true for years now. If a modification causes damage it's not covered by warranty, that's how it's always been. I can tell you though almost all cases of voided warranty are caused by abuse not necessarily the mods. One guy tried to get his mustang trans rebuilt and he had bald tires and 4.10s at like 15,000 miles.. The reason it wasn't covered wasn't the 4.10s, it was the fact that he was doing burn outs and racing and obviously abusing it to have bald tires that fast. Just keep that in mind, because you can void warranty in a stock truck by abusing it too..
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11-16-2011, 08:59 PM
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LOL @ mrposi
These posts are getting ridiculous. I appreciate everyone who is concerned for people that have tuned or are planning on tuning their EB, But we all know the routine.
These posts are getting ridiculous. I appreciate everyone who is concerned for people that have tuned or are planning on tuning their EB, But we all know the routine.