track day. MPT vs SSI
02-18-2014, 07:55 PM
#191
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How do you sand bag a 104 mph? The difference was the sixty ft. Also the motor may have been colder on the mpt run. The track obviously got worst as the night went on. It happen to me. If they didn't prep again that explains the sixty ft.
104 at 13.28 with a 2.0 sixty is what I ran before. Also 13.40s is normal with 2.0 sixty.
The only real way to compare would be more mpt runs. I would like to have seen a 2.0 sixty with mpt. Or an ssi with a 1.8 either way it looks close.
That's my opinion
104 at 13.28 with a 2.0 sixty is what I ran before. Also 13.40s is normal with 2.0 sixty.
The only real way to compare would be more mpt runs. I would like to have seen a 2.0 sixty with mpt. Or an ssi with a 1.8 either way it looks close.
That's my opinion
02-18-2014, 08:09 PM
#192
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Thread Starter
As a completely unbiased 5.0 owner who was unaware till today about this SSI vs MPT war, I notice a few things. First, if everything is true about this Shawn guy making drunken phone calls and such, he would never have my business. I don't care if his tune made my Eco run 11s. Childish.
Second, I will testify to MPT being a class act with great customer service and a very professional ordering system. They are very thorough before sending the first tune and get back to you with any concerns fast.
Now, from what the timeslips show, I think the SSI tune is faster. I know, you're MPT tune shifted earlier and that may be the difference in trap speed. Trap speed is horsepower, plain and simple. By that, SSI was faster.
Also, 60' times. I'm not knocking you, I know it can be difficult to pin down launches perfectly. But a rule of thumb is time lost on the 60' is doubled at the finish line. So, if the SSI tune had .22 hacked off the launch, it would stand to reason that .44 could be gained at the other end, putting the SSI tune in the 12.80s.
Still, that's speculation. All that can be said 100% on this night is that the MPT tune was quicker and the SSI tune was faster.
Anyway, nice truck, good runs, and keep it up.
Second, I will testify to MPT being a class act with great customer service and a very professional ordering system. They are very thorough before sending the first tune and get back to you with any concerns fast.
Now, from what the timeslips show, I think the SSI tune is faster. I know, you're MPT tune shifted earlier and that may be the difference in trap speed. Trap speed is horsepower, plain and simple. By that, SSI was faster.
Also, 60' times. I'm not knocking you, I know it can be difficult to pin down launches perfectly. But a rule of thumb is time lost on the 60' is doubled at the finish line. So, if the SSI tune had .22 hacked off the launch, it would stand to reason that .44 could be gained at the other end, putting the SSI tune in the 12.80s.
Still, that's speculation. All that can be said 100% on this night is that the MPT tune was quicker and the SSI tune was faster.
Anyway, nice truck, good runs, and keep it up.
Thank for pointing that out. However I feel MPT has potential to be in the same 12.80s with higher shift points...
drunken rants are true... spend a few months on their forum and see for yourself. And if you really make him mad he calls you late at night with slurred words and cussed you just as he did to me that night.
All that aside. Both are great tunes but I look forward to working with MPT taking my truck further up the rankings, my wagner CAC came in today and my meth kit will be on the way shortly.
02-18-2014, 08:12 PM
#193
Senior Member
Not saying he did sandbag, but other who said he was sandbagging would make SSI seem like it would run 12.00 and 120mph haha. It shows SSI reeling in MPT in power on the big end. These are heavy trucks and it takes good power to make a big difference in the last 1/8. I would think he maybe spun early with the SSI tune and was gaining on MPT towards the end of the runs. I would love to see setx get a good 60' with t4 like he got with MPT. I hope you continue to compare both in the future.
02-18-2014, 08:14 PM
#194
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Not saying he did sandbag, but other who said he was sandbagging would make SSI seem like it would run 12.00 and 120mph haha. It shows SSI reeling in MPT in power on the big end. These are heavy trucks and it takes good power to make a big difference in the last 1/8. I would think he maybe spun early with the SSI tune and was gaining on MPT towards the end of the runs. I would love to see setx get a good 60' with t4 like he got with MPT. I hope you continue to compare both in the future.
I will no longer compare. I will be moving forward with MPT movoing up the charts by adding a CAC and methanol with revisions and dynotuning, SSI has already made the claim they won't be updating me which wouldn't make a fair comparison.
Last edited by setxathlete14; 02-18-2014 at 08:17 PM.
02-18-2014, 08:26 PM
#195
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Sounds like either way the tunes are near identical. So do,you want drama or professionalism? I know what I pick.
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02-18-2014, 08:32 PM
#196
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As will many others. I feel my 13.20 pass sold alot of SSI tunes... now I feel like this will bring a lot to MPT now which was what I was shooting for.
and i know some of the SSI guys will make the transition but keeping it quiet to avoid all the BS and slander from them... so I doubt they would be doing any comparisons as i did
02-18-2014, 09:29 PM
#197
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As will many others. I feel my 13.20 pass sold alot of SSI tunes... now I feel like this will bring a lot to MPT now which was what I was shooting for.
and i know some of the SSI guys will make the transition but keeping it quiet to avoid all the BS and slander from them... so I doubt they would be doing any comparisons as i did
and i know some of the SSI guys will make the transition but keeping it quiet to avoid all the BS and slander from them... so I doubt they would be doing any comparisons as i did
02-18-2014, 09:55 PM
#198
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A lot of us don't have anything other than just tunes on our trucks. It'd be interesting to me to see how the tunes compare on trucks with no other mods, just the tune. Also, to see how the knock counts compare. Do you know how the knocks compare on yours for the tunes you've run? For most daily driver customers, I think that is something else that's pretty important for safety and longevity.
02-18-2014, 10:32 PM
#199
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A lot of us don't have anything other than just tunes on our trucks. It'd be interesting to me to see how the tunes compare on trucks with no other mods, just the tune. Also, to see how the knock counts compare. Do you know how the knocks compare on yours for the tunes you've run? For most daily driver customers, I think that is something else that's pretty important for safety and longevity.
02-18-2014, 10:35 PM
#200
Senior Member
Don't go by "knock counts" from SCT tune logs as indication of a safer or less safe tune. My "safest tune to rule them all" had pronounced audible knock under WOT, but showed only a value of 3 on the knock count PID. Since I couldn't get an explanation from the tuner on why that may be, i had to do my own research. As I understand it now, that parameter shows the amount of timing the PCM pulls or adds due to knock. A custom tune can command the max amount of timing the PCM will pull. So, you have to look at AFR, fuel trims, timing, and knock counts, watch how the tune reponds to an increase in IAT and EGT, and listen VERY closely to what the truck is doing to determine which tune runs smoother on your truck.