There is a fix for the condensation build up in the intercooler!
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Here is another one dated 8/25/2012 about Land Rover. This isn't just one MFG's problem. They all are dealing with it. Maybe ?
Land Rover has just this week figured out what is causing this and is working on a fix. When it rains, somehow water is finding its way into the intercooler and collecting there. If the car is driven moderately, the water slowly evaporates and is gone without causing any problems.
If there is water in the intercooler and is applied, the rush of air from the turbocharger blows all the water at once out of the intercooler and into the intake, causing multiple misfires. Engine management automatically cuts power back to Limp Mode (10%) until the engine is shut off and restarted.
Land Rover should be campaigning a fix for this shortly, to be done to each car as they visit their dealerships. In the meantime, occaisionally use that to keep your intercoolers clear!
Forget about getting good gas mileage and pedal to the metal a lot. Or disregard and limp around like an old man never in a hurry just putzn around town never passen and being reckless. JLOL
If there is water in the intercooler and is applied, the rush of air from the turbocharger blows all the water at once out of the intercooler and into the intake, causing multiple misfires. Engine management automatically cuts power back to Limp Mode (10%) until the engine is shut off and restarted.
full throttle" />Land Rover should be campaigning a fix for this shortly, to be done to each car as they visit their dealerships. In the meantime, occaisionally use that to keep your intercoolers clear!
Forget about getting good gas mileage and pedal to the metal a lot. Or disregard and limp around like an old man never in a hurry just putzn around town never passen and being reckless. JLOL
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Quoting crap on line does not make you knowledgable of the problem at hand!!! Please stick to putting plastic hood scoops on your NON Eco boost truck 
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The problem is simple. Many turbo Manufacturers are having problems with the condensate while driving steady state it builds in the Intercooler around dew Points. It is obvious a industry wide phenom to build and not have it work exactly right. By the way I am familiar with the Prescott/Dewey area and made many trips across Indian School Road past Camelback when my friend was in the Air Force with the F15. We did some fun 4x4 N with my Blazer back then, all the way to most everywhere there. Good to hear you weren't in the dust storm. Like I said I prefer the area south of Flagstaff. It was really hot and dry here to and the flexfuel loved running on alcohol thru the 105 degree days. I just couldn't handle not being able to have a winch on my rig. Guess you will have to tail hook it and wear lizard boots.
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Here is another one dated 8/25/2012 about Land Rover. This isn't just one MFG's problem. They all are dealing with it. Maybe ?
Land Rover has just this week figured out what is causing this and is working on a fix. When it rains, somehow water is finding its way into the intercooler and collecting there. If the car is driven moderately, the water slowly evaporates and is gone without causing any problems.
If there is water in the intercooler and full throttle is applied, the rush of air from the turbocharger blows all the water at once out of the intercooler and into the intake, causing multiple misfires. Engine management automatically cuts power back to Limp Mode (10%) until the engine is shut off and restarted.
Land Rover should be campaigning a fix for this shortly, to be done to each car as they visit their dealerships. In the meantime, occaisionally use that full throttle to keep your intercoolers clear!
Forget about getting good gas mileage and pedal to the metal a lot. Or disregard and limp around like an old man never in a hurry just putzn around town never passen and being reckless. JLOL
If there is water in the intercooler and full throttle is applied, the rush of air from the turbocharger blows all the water at once out of the intercooler and into the intake, causing multiple misfires. Engine management automatically cuts power back to Limp Mode (10%) until the engine is shut off and restarted.
Land Rover should be campaigning a fix for this shortly, to be done to each car as they visit their dealerships. In the meantime, occaisionally use that full throttle to keep your intercoolers clear!
Forget about getting good gas mileage and pedal to the metal a lot. Or disregard and limp around like an old man never in a hurry just putzn around town never passen and being reckless. JLOL
Here is why
I drive conservatively all the time. I accelerate at a faster rate than most around me but I anticipate my stops. If I know I will have to stop I coast. I coast a lot. These trucks coast really good. For instance when I come home I know I am going to have to slow down to turn on my street so I will coast maybe as much as an 1/8th of mile. I don't like starting and stopping so I will go out of my way to miss a light ( I always get them red). I take routes that I am less likely to hit a light.
When I do this the injectors are cut off. No fuel is being burned so the engine now is blowing air through the system along with any water buildup if there is any.
Back a few pages someone posted here they got a letter from Ford that pretty much says the same thing you have posted here.
Someone else posted a motorcraft web site that explains the different sensors and how they work. Most was well over my head but still was very informative.
What I have read has led me to believe that MAY be why I haven't experienced the problems some have. IMO
There have been some very good post on this thread and I would hope there are more reading than complaining.
I bought a 2002 Ford powerstroke in 2006 with 17,000 miles someone had returned under the lemon law who said it didn't have any power and the carfax showed it had been in the shop a lot.... IC replaced and many other things. I put 50,000 on that truck and never had it back in for anything. I stole it and drove it like I did.
I do have to say tho it did fall on its face once! I was trying to beat some traffic at a toll and I stomped it hard. Blaaaaa it almost shut down and came to a stop. I was able to get it to the side thinking I killed it. It turned out the hose from the turbo blew off going to the IC. Put it back on tighten it really tight and never had the problem again. Ford must have missed that one when replacing the IC.
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Originally Posted by papa tiger
The problem is simple. Many turbo Manufacturers are having problems with the condensate while driving steady state it builds in the Intercooler around dew Points. It is obvious a industry wide phenom to build and not have it work exactly right. By the way I am familiar with the Prescott/Dewey area and made many trips across Indian School Road past Camelback when my friend was in the Air Force with the F15. We did some fun 4x4 N with my Blazer back then, all the way to most everywhere there. Good to hear you weren't in the dust storm. Like I said I prefer the area south of Flagstaff. It was really hot and dry here to and the flexfuel loved running on alcohol thru the 105 degree days. I just couldn't handle not being able to have a winch on my rig. Guess you will have to tail hook it and wear lizard boots.
You say you prefer the area south of flagstaff to Prescott yet that is where I live SOUTH of flagstaff.
Are you posting while your drinking ?
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As others have posted, these trucks do not like the temp in the low 50s with the dew point within a couple degrees and add in some rain as well. We don't see all of those conditions together very often here in NM but last week we did. I didn't have the loss of power but it started prematurely blowing off boost (others have called it the "puh-chew" or that the BOVs were fighting each other). To me it sounded almost like the old 7.3s when the turbo is surging or stalling. While doing this it had some light bucking as well.
I'm now wondering if the condensation in the IC is mixing with the oil vapor (from the pcv) also in the IC and when ingested in the engine, is coating some sensors causing a bunch of false readings. I may take a few sensors off tomorrow and have a look. On the bright side, I put nearly 300 miles on yesterday and at first it wasn't running all that good but by the end of the day it was fine. Of course, I drove pretty aggressive all day thinking that may help the situation. Hopefully, all that crud has passed.
BTW, truck has a build date of 12-2011 as has never been in for any updates.
I'm now wondering if the condensation in the IC is mixing with the oil vapor (from the pcv) also in the IC and when ingested in the engine, is coating some sensors causing a bunch of false readings. I may take a few sensors off tomorrow and have a look. On the bright side, I put nearly 300 miles on yesterday and at first it wasn't running all that good but by the end of the day it was fine. Of course, I drove pretty aggressive all day thinking that may help the situation. Hopefully, all that crud has passed.
BTW, truck has a build date of 12-2011 as has never been in for any updates.
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I now realize that condensation is a possibility with all boosted engines that use some sort of inter or after cooling. I've never really heard of it until owning an ecoboost. I've had a few late model diesels as company trucks in years past but never once did I have this issue.
So, anyone know if the newer Rams with the Cummins have this problem? I am aware of some the other issues with them.
So, anyone know if the newer Rams with the Cummins have this problem? I am aware of some the other issues with them.
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Wattmaker the PCV problem was reported with the Volkswagen intercooler problems also.
Try getting a Ford Lincoln 2012 MYOBD service manual before. There is a lot going on with the system. I have one but it appears locked from emailing.
Try getting a Ford Lincoln 2012 MYOBD service manual before. There is a lot going on with the system. I have one but it appears locked from emailing.
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