There is a fix for the condensation build up in the intercooler!
11-25-2012, 12:10 AM
#931
An open letter to my fellow sheep:
It's clear to me that this board is completely dominated and manipulated by PP men (profession posters) and special interests with the tacid, perhaps more than tacid support of the moderators. They know that I have the firepower to ask and persue tough questions and they are determined to get rid of me or discredit me. I'm sure the moderators were just iching to ban me as soon as they could. That was obvious from there comments about trolls and their show of force.
I had hoped to help some of you get more information which you could use to pursue you claims. I feel bad for you because if I hadn't checked around I was ready to buy an Ecoboost myself. But I don't have unlimited time to deal with the garbage here. So good luck. My time will be better spent elsewhere.
If I were you I would carefully consider the validity of the info you receive here. Especially if it comes from a PP man. Addious
It's clear to me that this board is completely dominated and manipulated by PP men (profession posters) and special interests with the tacid, perhaps more than tacid support of the moderators. They know that I have the firepower to ask and persue tough questions and they are determined to get rid of me or discredit me. I'm sure the moderators were just iching to ban me as soon as they could. That was obvious from there comments about trolls and their show of force.
I had hoped to help some of you get more information which you could use to pursue you claims. I feel bad for you because if I hadn't checked around I was ready to buy an Ecoboost myself. But I don't have unlimited time to deal with the garbage here. So good luck. My time will be better spent elsewhere.
If I were you I would carefully consider the validity of the info you receive here. Especially if it comes from a PP man. Addious
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11-25-2012, 07:10 AM
#932
NVH, noise vibration and harshness. Don't be hesitant to respond, a turbo with boost controlled on the turbine side has a waste gate, and the 3.5 EB in the F150 doesn't have one, and if it did, it wouldn't dump exhaust into the intake. I own one, so I guess if you need a document or diagram I could go take a picture, but it is pretty easy to find the verification you seek grasshopper.
The big valve below the turbine is the waste gate on the 3.5 EB.
Last edited by BigMcLargeHuge; 11-25-2012 at 08:16 AM.
11-25-2012, 07:21 AM
#933
An open letter to my fellow sheep:
It's clear to me that this board is completely dominated and manipulated by PP men (profession posters) and special interests with the tacid, perhaps more than tacid support of the moderators. They know that I have the firepower to ask and persue tough questions and they are determined to get rid of me or discredit me. I'm sure the moderators were just iching to ban me as soon as they could. That was obvious from there comments about trolls and their show of force.
I had hoped to help some of you get more information which you could use to pursue you claims. I feel bad for you because if I hadn't checked around I was ready to buy an Ecoboost myself. But I don't have unlimited time to deal with the garbage here. So good luck. My time will be better spent elsewhere.
If I were you I would carefully consider the validity of the info you receive here. Especially if it comes from a PP man. Addious
It's clear to me that this board is completely dominated and manipulated by PP men (profession posters) and special interests with the tacid, perhaps more than tacid support of the moderators. They know that I have the firepower to ask and persue tough questions and they are determined to get rid of me or discredit me. I'm sure the moderators were just iching to ban me as soon as they could. That was obvious from there comments about trolls and their show of force.
I had hoped to help some of you get more information which you could use to pursue you claims. I feel bad for you because if I hadn't checked around I was ready to buy an Ecoboost myself. But I don't have unlimited time to deal with the garbage here. So good luck. My time will be better spent elsewhere.
If I were you I would carefully consider the validity of the info you receive here. Especially if it comes from a PP man. Addious
But from your first response to me, I started picturing you as a bit too melodramatic, and your every response since has only confirmed this.
Example: if you had just said "I know what wwest means and I think his posts were inaccurate" would have sufficed. Instead you wrote a short novel about Sherlock Holmes and the case of the human sheep.
"Finally, a post that isn't useless drivel.."
"Say it out loud, close your eyes"...
People are going to react negatively to that snark, and I think some people (not sheep) may have taken argument with you just because you were being a bit of a drama queen. It's hard to filter your good point from the bad ones when you post long and boringly about sheep on the thread.
And don't get me started on your parting letter...
But good luck to you as well I guess
Last edited by BigMcLargeHuge; 11-25-2012 at 08:14 AM.
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11-25-2012, 10:01 AM
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An open letter to my fellow sheep:
It's clear to me that this board is completely dominated and manipulated by PP men (profession posters) and special interests with the tacid, perhaps more than tacid support of the moderators. They know that I have the firepower to ask and persue tough questions and they are determined to get rid of me or discredit me. I'm sure the moderators were just iching to ban me as soon as they could. That was obvious from there comments about trolls and their show of force.
I had hoped to help some of you get more information which you could use to pursue you claims. I feel bad for you because if I hadn't checked around I was ready to buy an Ecoboost myself. But I don't have unlimited time to deal with the garbage here. So good luck. My time will be better spent elsewhere.
If I were you I would carefully consider the validity of the info you receive here. Especially if it comes from a PP man. Addious
It's clear to me that this board is completely dominated and manipulated by PP men (profession posters) and special interests with the tacid, perhaps more than tacid support of the moderators. They know that I have the firepower to ask and persue tough questions and they are determined to get rid of me or discredit me. I'm sure the moderators were just iching to ban me as soon as they could. That was obvious from there comments about trolls and their show of force.
I had hoped to help some of you get more information which you could use to pursue you claims. I feel bad for you because if I hadn't checked around I was ready to buy an Ecoboost myself. But I don't have unlimited time to deal with the garbage here. So good luck. My time will be better spent elsewhere.
If I were you I would carefully consider the validity of the info you receive here. Especially if it comes from a PP man. Addious
...And "perhaps more than tacid support"?
...Not easy being a Mod you know....Staring into the darkness in the middle of the night...wondering... is this the day...will this be the Thread...Where I cross the line into tacidity, perhaps never to return, after workng our fingers to the bone making this place what it is...Oh it make me mad...Last edited by ymeski56; 11-26-2012 at 09:11 AM.
11-25-2012, 10:51 AM
#935
Keepin' the lights on!
The eco uses both wastegates and BOVs (blow-off valves). Turbine speed is controlled by the wastegates by bypassing the turbine, dumping into the exhaust. The BOVs are for dumping the boost fast such as when you go from WOT to zero throttle. They also help conrol boost. They dump the compressed air back into the turbo inlet piping. The '13s use an electric valve for noise reduction. The 13s also dump the boost after the IC. To early to tell if this has any effect on IAT or the condensation issue. If there is any benefit, it is merely a byproduct and not the reason for that design.
Geoff from Full Race will have more info on this.
Geoff from Full Race will have more info on this.
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11-25-2012, 11:40 PM
#936
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Yes you are correct, I did some poking today and I am wrong. The turbos appear to have an integral gate as well as the BOV.
11-26-2012, 09:45 PM
#937
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Some other folks used to argue that the bypass valves control boost on the EB, though I've never seen it done this way on a gasoline engine. I know that plenty of diesels were made without wastegates, though.
11-27-2012, 12:49 AM
#938
Senior Member
Originally Posted by engineermike
Some other folks used to argue that the bypass valves control boost on the EB, though I've never seen it done this way on a gasoline engine. I know that plenty of diesels were made without wastegates, though.
11-27-2012, 09:29 AM
#939
The big question I have is that everyone that has had the new intercooler put on has it fixed the problem.
I had mine installed at the beginning of Sept but have not been on a long trip
will be taking a trip, have one coming up and would like to think it won't misfire anymore.
I had mine installed at the beginning of Sept but have not been on a long trip
will be taking a trip, have one coming up and would like to think it won't misfire anymore.
11-27-2012, 11:55 AM
#940
-the wastegate controls the boost, by controlling turbine shaft speed. signal comes from a PWM solenoid connected to positive pressure from the charge pipe.
-Old diesel engines were not efficient nor did they rev high enough to require wastegating the turbo and reducing the shaft speed. Also diesel does not detonate/knock so you can run higher boost levels than an octane dependant gasoline engine.
-the BOV only serves to release compressed air when the throttle plate closes. The average driver does not like to hear the sound of compressed air being released
-BOV is not used to control boost because it causes the turbo to overspeed and wastes energy required to compress the air.
if ANYBODY can repeatedly get this miss/stutter/etc problem to occur repeatedly - it would be great to log via obd2 port what the sensors are doing and get some hard data
-Old diesel engines were not efficient nor did they rev high enough to require wastegating the turbo and reducing the shaft speed. Also diesel does not detonate/knock so you can run higher boost levels than an octane dependant gasoline engine.
-the BOV only serves to release compressed air when the throttle plate closes. The average driver does not like to hear the sound of compressed air being released
-BOV is not used to control boost because it causes the turbo to overspeed and wastes energy required to compress the air.
if ANYBODY can repeatedly get this miss/stutter/etc problem to occur repeatedly - it would be great to log via obd2 port what the sensors are doing and get some hard data
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