There is a fix for the condensation build up in the intercooler!
10-05-2012, 10:36 AM
#681
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It is strange...mine is doing it every single day now that the temps have been in the 30's and 40's even though the air is very dry. Its doing the missfire type shudder, not falling on its face although I don't get to take long trips at a steady pace very often. Gonna be at the dealer soon but it sucks to lose my truck during hunting season...luckily I have a great relationship with my dealer and I'll get a truck as a loaner, they'll get it back with corn stalks in the frame and blood in the box
10-05-2012, 02:06 PM
#682
It is strange...mine is doing it every single day now that the temps have been in the 30's and 40's even though the air is very dry. Its doing the missfire type shudder, not falling on its face although I don't get to take long trips at a steady pace very often. Gonna be at the dealer soon but it sucks to lose my truck during hunting season...luckily I have a great relationship with my dealer and I'll get a truck as a loaner, they'll get it back with corn stalks in the frame and blood in the box
10-05-2012, 02:39 PM
#683
Senior Member
No...I'm gonna make the dealer do it. I don't have time and despite what a handful have said, the majority have said it has no effect on the miss, maybe a smoother idle and slightly better mileage, thats it. I honestly don't feel this would be the fix as it would be much cheaper/easier to figure out that gaps were off then to do multiple computer reprograms, IC shield, and redesign an intercooler. If that actually fixes it I'll siht a purple twinkie.
10-05-2012, 05:52 PM
#684
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Originally Posted by maplelakeduckslayer
No...I'm gonna make the dealer do it. I don't have time and despite what a handful have said, the majority have said it has no effect on the miss, maybe a smoother idle and slightly better mileage, thats it. I honestly don't feel this would be the fix as it would be much cheaper/easier to figure out that gaps were off then to do multiple computer reprograms, IC shield, and redesign an intercooler. If that actually fixes it I'll siht a purple twinkie.
10-05-2012, 06:51 PM
#685
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Just food for thought . . . I wonder if there is any correlation with crappy mileage and the tendency to fall on its face?
Since late summer early fall last year right after I got it was relatively dry and even our trip to Colorado in early Sept. was uneventful at altitude [cool but very dry], it was after about November when mpgs went in the toilet, developed rough idle, that I had my first complete loss of power.
When an engine loses 4-5mpg and idles like a 2 stroke it's obviously not running right. Been one of my biggest frustrations with Ford. They could debug this truck if they chose to but instead choose to say never mind you bought a truck that would get 21mpg@ 70mph and ran incredibly smooth, we only require it to get 20mpg @ 58mph and rough idle is a normal characteristic of this engine.
Complete loss of power has only happened about a dozen times total for me but unfortunately when it happens you can die. Minor detail . . .
Anyway, Is anyone getting the advertised great mileage and still have the falling on its face problem?
Perhaps poorly running EBs are naturally more susceptible to the problem?
Since late summer early fall last year right after I got it was relatively dry and even our trip to Colorado in early Sept. was uneventful at altitude [cool but very dry], it was after about November when mpgs went in the toilet, developed rough idle, that I had my first complete loss of power.
When an engine loses 4-5mpg and idles like a 2 stroke it's obviously not running right. Been one of my biggest frustrations with Ford. They could debug this truck if they chose to but instead choose to say never mind you bought a truck that would get 21mpg@ 70mph and ran incredibly smooth, we only require it to get 20mpg @ 58mph and rough idle is a normal characteristic of this engine.
Complete loss of power has only happened about a dozen times total for me but unfortunately when it happens you can die. Minor detail . . .
Anyway, Is anyone getting the advertised great mileage and still have the falling on its face problem?
Perhaps poorly running EBs are naturally more susceptible to the problem?
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10-07-2012, 11:30 AM
#686
Senior Member
Originally Posted by maplelakeduckslayer
No...I'm gonna make the dealer do it. I don't have time and despite what a handful have said, the majority have said it has no effect on the miss, maybe a smoother idle and slightly better mileage, thats it. I honestly don't feel this would be the fix as it would be much cheaper/easier to figure out that gaps were off then to do multiple computer reprograms, IC shield, and redesign an intercooler. If that actually fixes it I'll siht a purple twinkie.
The odd thing is the loss of power I felt on the way down there last week was gone on the way back. The truck felt like it should until then and was getting better mpg than on the trip down until the misfire. As soon as it did it, the rough idle has returned and it went dead the next time I stopped. Not sure what else they can do...
10-07-2012, 10:37 PM
#687
I had the misfortune to experience this phenomenon the other day. Three times. I was running on the highway from Ohio to Oklahoma. Cruising @ 75 mph the entire time. It poured rain for hours, but had stopped when I experienced the problem.
The first time I went to pass someone and floored the throttle. The tach jumped to 4k and the drive train went crazy. shaking the entire truck. It felt like the engine dropped a couple of cylinders and the ignition timing was way off. I let off the throttle, coasted for a bit and the engine went back to normal.
The second time about an hour later I had stopped for gas and was getting back on the highway. Floored it on the on-ramp and it happened again: the entire truck was shaking like crazy, the engine felt like it had dropped a couple of cylinders and the timing was way off. This time the CEL light was flashing. After I let off and coasted for a bit I was eventually able to ease into the throttle. The CEL stayed lit.
I pulled off at the next exit, turned the engine off and removed the key. Fired 'er back up and the CEL was still on. Floored it again getting back on the highway and had the same problem. Needless to say I was very wary passing people the rest of the way home.
Once home I scanned the computer and picked up P0306. A catch-all for "cylinder 6 misfire." Gee.... I cleared the codes and went running around today, and the engine runs fine - just like it should.
It feels to me like an electrical problem. I bet either something is shorting during the conditions, or a combination of sensors is causing the ECM to lose its mind.
Either way it's going in for service. The condition is very unsafe especially when merging onto crowded highways.
As an aside we had a weird problem with the wife's Edge where the engine would continue running with the ignition off and the key removed. They finally traced it to a short in the fuse box and we haven't had the problem since.
Perseverance pays off.
The first time I went to pass someone and floored the throttle. The tach jumped to 4k and the drive train went crazy. shaking the entire truck. It felt like the engine dropped a couple of cylinders and the ignition timing was way off. I let off the throttle, coasted for a bit and the engine went back to normal.
The second time about an hour later I had stopped for gas and was getting back on the highway. Floored it on the on-ramp and it happened again: the entire truck was shaking like crazy, the engine felt like it had dropped a couple of cylinders and the timing was way off. This time the CEL light was flashing. After I let off and coasted for a bit I was eventually able to ease into the throttle. The CEL stayed lit.
I pulled off at the next exit, turned the engine off and removed the key. Fired 'er back up and the CEL was still on. Floored it again getting back on the highway and had the same problem. Needless to say I was very wary passing people the rest of the way home.
Once home I scanned the computer and picked up P0306. A catch-all for "cylinder 6 misfire." Gee.... I cleared the codes and went running around today, and the engine runs fine - just like it should.
It feels to me like an electrical problem. I bet either something is shorting during the conditions, or a combination of sensors is causing the ECM to lose its mind.
Either way it's going in for service. The condition is very unsafe especially when merging onto crowded highways.
As an aside we had a weird problem with the wife's Edge where the engine would continue running with the ignition off and the key removed. They finally traced it to a short in the fuse box and we haven't had the problem since.
Perseverance pays off.
10-08-2012, 03:48 PM
#690
Senior Member
I plan on getting a tune and testing this but it may be a while, waiting for funds to do the tuner/tune(s) i want.
(I'm not an expert on this)
I think that a 'performance' tune which creates a higher boost may help keep the IC/CAC clear while on a hwy cruise (maybe, maybe not)(tune dependent)
or i'm also thinking an economy tune, which creates a smaller boost (again, maybe, maybe not) (tune dependent) ,or enough boost so as to not 'drown' itself.