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There is a fix for the condensation build up in the intercooler!

Old 10-03-2012, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sholland96
This is the one I am referring to... I suspect it's simply the transmission programming (as you have surmised). I would bet that the transmission programming was tweaked to get the fuel economy numbers up, probably as one of the last steps before product launch. Basically, marketing getting its grubby hands in there messing up good engineering .

FWIW, I have also had the 'fall on its face' rapid misfire happen, but only once, and that was during extended light load in rainy conditions. This is definitely the IC condensation issue.
Once the engine control computer detect misfires it will most likely release the lock-up clutch immediately.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jaswood
Once the engine control computer detect misfires it will most likely release the lock-up clutch immediately.
Sorry, I guess I am polluting this thread somewhat... The point is there are 2 issues that seem to get interchanged by people, but really they are 2 issues:
1. IC condensation - just like you experienced. Rapid, multiple misfires that basically puts the engine in limp mode and triggers CEL.
2. Light load shudder, described by some as "55-65mph shudder" which is do to some other system, possibly transmission programming, poor wastegate control, or a combination of both.
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Originally Posted by jaswood
...to expand, creating a "cooling" pressure gradient, as it enters the higher volume of the outflow end cap.
As I've explained to YOU before, this is grossly incorrect. Please stop spreading this blatantly false information on the board.
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Hey Jaswood,

What is your take on turbocharged engines with 9.5:1 - 10.5:1 static compression and highway fuel economy?


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Originally Posted by BigMcLargeHuge
Hey Jaswood,

What is your take on turbocharged engines with 9.5:1 - 10.5:1 static compression and highway fuel economy?

Jaswood = wwest = banned
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Originally Posted by Ford850

I didn't realize they changed the intake too. Do you have pics of that or can you tell the difference by looking at it?
I can take some of the new one. They kept the original intake and ic so I can't have comparison photos. The new intake is smaller and does neck down more than the original. I can't really tell a difference in the appearance of the new ic
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Originally Posted by HoustonFordGuy

If your truck does have a new IC/CAC I need to see detailed pictures of it.

The pictures posted a couple of pages ago with the IC cover on it are no different than my truck, and that is a solution that does not work in my climate.
I'd be happy to take some of it but it'll be as it sits in the truck. It doesn't look any different to me either in the truck. I agree with you, our humid climate in the south appears to be tough on these engines. I'm not at all convinced that it's a solution but it's what ford offered to do to attempt to fix it
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Originally Posted by jaswood

Your turbocharged engine is probably "flat-rated" as is often done with turbocharged aircraft engines. The alternative is to have lots of HP in cool climates but lowered as the climate temperature grows higher and higher.

The effectiveness of the intercooler is a function of the temperature of the cooling airflow. At 0F the intercooler would clearly be more efficient, effective, than at the extreme of 120F. With flat-rating imposed by the control computer the maximum HP generated at the 120F extreme would be the artificially imposed limit all the way down to 0F.

Ford added the shield in order to lower the efficiency of the intercooler and to prevent condensation. That shield would also have a greater and greater adverse effect on the intercooler efficiency as the outside temperature rises, reducing the maximum HP with high cooling air temperature.

So the reason your truck downshifted more often after the TSB is because it is most likely flat-rated, the lower HP that can now be produced at those high temperatures dictates the HP limit all the way down to freezing and below.

Am I reading this correctly, those with the newest intercooler design are still experiencing the condensation problem?
I haven't experienced the condensation problem that would make my check engine light come on, the truck shake violently, and lose power. I've experienced an overall decrease in power and still have the light shudder in 5th and 6th gear. As well as the shift issued in tow haul
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Ok, so is this a ‘newly redesigned’ intercooler or just a ‘new’ intercooler. I find it hard to believe they would include the deflector plate on a new IC design…
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Originally Posted by YellowFinii
Ok, so is this a 'newly redesigned' intercooler or just a 'new' intercooler. I find it hard to believe they would include the deflector plate on a new IC design...
According to the "ford field engineer" it is a newly redisgned ic/cac. I didn't see a deflector plate on it
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