Road Test Review: 2011 Ford F-150 XLT 5.0-liter V-8
02-20-2012, 06:25 PM
#21
I wasn't going to post anything in this thread and was just reading the responses and then unfortunately came to this gem and it is just laughable at best.
1. You think all aluminum, DOHC, COP ignition is new technology? Really? I'm not even sure where to start with that one. It's not new!
2. Someone's always gotta bring in the turbo argument. Oh no the turbos are gonna blow?!?!?!? Fact is, if you knew ANYTHING about turbos, you would know they are extremely reliable and can last hundreds of thousands of miles. A brand new turbo from Ford costs about $600 bucks and you can have ANY turbo rebuilt completely at any turbo shop for under $500. That's a chance I will happily take.
3. See what a breeze the 5.0 will be to remove? You do realize the EB has 2 LESS cylinders and has more room in the engine bay to workaround right? And if you have ever taken a motor out of any vehicle, having more room up front (i.e. fewer cylinders) with something that fits between the frame rails backed by the same transmission is actually going to be EASIER to take out if that happens. However, you seem to think the EB will throw its turbos on the ground and blow the heads through the hood before it hits 100k so logic clearly escapes you in that regard.
Both are fantastic engines and both will last plenty long and be very durable and reliable for years to come. Each of them has reasons they are better than the other and both appeal to different folks. But to say one will blow up and turbos will will go and engine will go is just a freakin joke. Come on.
1. You think all aluminum, DOHC, COP ignition is new technology? Really? I'm not even sure where to start with that one. It's not new!
2. Someone's always gotta bring in the turbo argument. Oh no the turbos are gonna blow?!?!?!? Fact is, if you knew ANYTHING about turbos, you would know they are extremely reliable and can last hundreds of thousands of miles. A brand new turbo from Ford costs about $600 bucks and you can have ANY turbo rebuilt completely at any turbo shop for under $500. That's a chance I will happily take.
3. See what a breeze the 5.0 will be to remove? You do realize the EB has 2 LESS cylinders and has more room in the engine bay to workaround right? And if you have ever taken a motor out of any vehicle, having more room up front (i.e. fewer cylinders) with something that fits between the frame rails backed by the same transmission is actually going to be EASIER to take out if that happens. However, you seem to think the EB will throw its turbos on the ground and blow the heads through the hood before it hits 100k so logic clearly escapes you in that regard.
Both are fantastic engines and both will last plenty long and be very durable and reliable for years to come. Each of them has reasons they are better than the other and both appeal to different folks. But to say one will blow up and turbos will will go and engine will go is just a freakin joke. Come on.
Concerning technology what is so new about turbo's and direct injection?
Both the eco and the 5.0 represent new technology offered by Ford in the F150.
Concerning my experience replacing motors: I have been pulling and rebuilding engines since the 1960's starting with a 1962 Corvette 327 I rebuilt with my Father's help (he was an Engineer for General Motors).
You posted that you can have turbos rebuilt for $500 each. The math says that is an extra thousand dollars (minimum) compared to replacing a naturally aspirated 5.0.
Concerning turbos life span, ask the folks who bought the Ford 6.0's, I went through two turbos under warranty. Some folks went through more.
Less cylinders does not always translate in easier to work on and change motors. Added on systems can make the job more complex and time consuming. Time is money. I would be curious what the Ford Dealer hour rating is for changing out a 5.0 compared to changing out an Eco, especially if you have to transfer the turbo systems to the long block.
My advice to folks who opt for the Ecoboost and plan to keep them a very long time is to invest in the extended warranty in case you have an engine failure. The folks with the 5.0's can simply change in an engine for a lot less.
Curious does anyone know what a new, with turbos included, Eco engine versus a new F150 5.0 costs from Ford?
And, you have to factor in the considerably lower cost of a new 5.0 (up to 2,500 with current rebates) compared to the Eco. This all logically adds up to real money.
Last edited by Pacific Fisher; 02-21-2012 at 01:19 PM.
02-20-2012, 06:25 PM
#22
banjer picker
Originally Posted by gimmie11s
Old news.............
Sounds like you bought the truck that fits you though, so thats good.
I bought my truck for 2 reasons:
1. the ability to tow 10k+ pounds (i have a toybox that weighs 11k loaded).
2. the performance of the 6.2 with the mpg of the 3.7...almost.
Those 2 reasons are DAMN impressive to say the least and although i think the 5.0 is an AWESOME motor in the Mustang... i cannot see why people buy it in the F150 when they have the 6.2 and EcoB as choices.......... seriously cannot see why.
Other than sound cool, the 5.0 does absolutely NOTHING better than the ECO in stock form.
Flame on
Sounds like you bought the truck that fits you though, so thats good.
I bought my truck for 2 reasons:
1. the ability to tow 10k+ pounds (i have a toybox that weighs 11k loaded).
2. the performance of the 6.2 with the mpg of the 3.7...almost.
Those 2 reasons are DAMN impressive to say the least and although i think the 5.0 is an AWESOME motor in the Mustang... i cannot see why people buy it in the F150 when they have the 6.2 and EcoB as choices.......... seriously cannot see why.
Other than sound cool, the 5.0 does absolutely NOTHING better than the ECO in stock form.
Flame on
02-20-2012, 10:29 PM
#24
banjer picker
Originally Posted by varithms
I have been lurking here for over a year. If I had the option tomorrow to by a new truck I would have to flip a coin.
02-21-2012, 12:53 PM
#26
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Yep and here's what I really said about it. I think I did pretty good considering what I believe you have already read below:Got to the track. Raced a RCSB Ram Hemi. Humidity was high. Launched in Drive in 4HI ... due to weather, I was only able to make one run. Please excuse the crappy video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dRNVIV8fEL4
My F-150:
Superchips tuner, K&N CAI and bone stock exhaust, with tailgate, spare, and toolbox.
His RAM:
2 Wheel Drive truck, catback dual 3", tuner, no tailgate, no spare and no toolbox.
The Hemi beat me by nearly 4/10th's. He didn't start to pull on me until after the 1/8th mile mark. All things considered, he said he was shocked and glad I had the extra weight.
HIM ME
R/T .205 .273
60' 2.235 2.207
330 6.175 6.205
1/8 9.392 9.503
MPH 77.06 74.15
1000' 12.120 12.374
1/4 14.406 14.801
mph 98.77 92.83
I estimate he was about 500 lbs lighter and again I was in 4WD all the way down the track (dammit):
1. Spare - 90
2. Tailgate - 100
3. Body weight - 40
4. Toolbox - 40
5. 2WD vs 4WD - 250
Total - 520 lbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dRNVIV8fEL4
My F-150:
Superchips tuner, K&N CAI and bone stock exhaust, with tailgate, spare, and toolbox.
His RAM:
2 Wheel Drive truck, catback dual 3", tuner, no tailgate, no spare and no toolbox.
The Hemi beat me by nearly 4/10th's. He didn't start to pull on me until after the 1/8th mile mark. All things considered, he said he was shocked and glad I had the extra weight.
HIM ME
R/T .205 .273
60' 2.235 2.207
330 6.175 6.205
1/8 9.392 9.503
MPH 77.06 74.15
1000' 12.120 12.374
1/4 14.406 14.801
mph 98.77 92.83
I estimate he was about 500 lbs lighter and again I was in 4WD all the way down the track (dammit):
1. Spare - 90
2. Tailgate - 100
3. Body weight - 40
4. Toolbox - 40
5. 2WD vs 4WD - 250
Total - 520 lbs
02-21-2012, 11:41 PM
#27
Senior Member
Other than coast about $2000 less(than the eco), while getting the same fuel economy. The 6.2 is only available in the top trims which pushes the price even higher. From what aaa tells me the ecoboost has negligibly higher insurance premiums. I guess people are beating up those intercoolers 
That guy may not have known what he was talking about.
For those worried about the reliability I don't know why they always talk about the turbos. Yes they can cook, and maybe some have on the eco(so I was told but haven't seen) but for the most part they are reliable if you don't beat them when they're cold and let them cool after you've been working them hard before shutting the engine off. I would be more concerned about the DI system as those parts are expensive! On the other hand they are getting better all the time and I'm sure the 5.0 will be DI sooner rather than later so I'm hoping it's a reliable system.
That guy may not have known what he was talking about.For those worried about the reliability I don't know why they always talk about the turbos. Yes they can cook, and maybe some have on the eco(so I was told but haven't seen) but for the most part they are reliable if you don't beat them when they're cold and let them cool after you've been working them hard before shutting the engine off. I would be more concerned about the DI system as those parts are expensive! On the other hand they are getting better all the time and I'm sure the 5.0 will be DI sooner rather than later so I'm hoping it's a reliable system.
There are more incentives available now on the 5.0 since Ford has had to add a third shift to build EB's as the 5.0's die on the lots.
02-22-2012, 07:18 AM
#28
Senior Member
Thread Starter
While eco's accounted for 42% of engines produced, there are a lot of them still out on the lots. The fuel savings with the ecoboost is a big selling point for Ford, so, they are introducing it in to 11 vehicles this year. So, they're not adding a 3rd shift for the V-6 3.5 as most of the cars lke the Fusion will not get the 3.5 V6. They're adding smaller ecoboost motors in most of their smaller passenger cars. The larger displacemnet won't fit in most of their smaller cars, however, that little 3.5 will. Here's a good read about the whole Ford vision for ecoboost in passenger cars like the Taurus and the Fusion.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...NEWS/120129890
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...NEWS/120129890
02-22-2012, 08:40 AM
#29
Senior Member
While eco's accounted for 42% of engines produced, there are a lot of them still out on the lots. The fuel savings with the ecoboost is a big selling point for Ford, so, they are introducing it in to 11 vehicles this year. So, they're not adding a 3rd shift for the V-6 3.5 as most of the cars lke the Fusion will not get the 3.5 V6. They're adding smaller ecoboost motors in most of their smaller passenger cars. The larger displacemnet won't fit in most of their smaller cars, however, that little 3.5 will. Here's a good read about the whole Ford vision for ecoboost in passenger cars like the Taurus and the Fusion.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...NEWS/120129890
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...NEWS/120129890
02-22-2012, 08:44 AM
#30
LOL! Yeah, I'll be having bad dreams about those, especially when Boss5.0 just ran a 13.09 1/4-mile time with Mustang shorties, CAI and exhaust and a tune.
I just hope they don't come after me in my dreams. The dragstrip will be the place they can find me
Any takers in Florida wanna. meet up on Sunday March 4th at Bithlo? Here's a vid link of my run in 4WD ... lol!!! I had toolbox loaded, tailgate, and spare wheel/tire. Hemi was missing these items and was a 2WD. Bring on the eco's boys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRNVIV8fEL4
I just hope they don't come after me in my dreams. The dragstrip will be the place they can find me
Any takers in Florida wanna. meet up on Sunday March 4th at Bithlo? Here's a vid link of my run in 4WD ... lol!!! I had toolbox loaded, tailgate, and spare wheel/tire. Hemi was missing these items and was a 2WD. Bring on the eco's boys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRNVIV8fEL4
60ft - 2.1040
330ft - 6.0600
1/8 -- 9.3649
That was 4wd all the way down the track as well...