Originally Posted by EcoFX4d

It just occured to me after re-reading the TSB article, this isn't another bandaid... This is just a way to save Ford some $$$ on the replacment intercooler some of us already got from the previous TSB. Now they can stop production on that part number!

And didn't GermanEB flow test the two coolers and said there was little to no difference. The only noticable difference is the density of cooling fins or something?

Originally Posted by engineermike

Kenferg1, I agree with 90% of your post. These trucks have a systemic issue and they absolutely must fix it, especially if they expect customers to accept this technology as the way of the future. I also do not believe that ford really has their arms around the root cause, but that's a separate discussion.

However, I do not believe that engine power is a safety system in the same sense that brakes, steering, or even tire integrity is. Airplane engines are considered a safety system, and the standard to which they are built and repaired is much more stringent than automotive.

To further my point, note that with something like 300,000 of these on the road, no one has reported an actual accident yet, not even a minor one. Based on this, the problem is either not as widespread as it seems, or its not a safety issue. By comparison, around 30 fatalities and an order of magnitude more accidents had to occur due to a sticking throttle before Toyota did their recalls. I pray this doesn't happen to anyone, but THIS is what a real safety issue looks like and our problem, without even a fender bender reported, pales in comparison. Heck, now that I think about it, more ecoboost f150's accidents have been reported due to unintended acceleration than loss of power. What's that tell you?

Furthermore, I don't think overdramatizing the problem is going to get us anywhere because we lose some amount of credibility. It's just an observation, but it looks like the vast majority of the people only had the problem around fast-moving 18 wheelers and only with loved ones in the vehicle. How could most of these trucks only exhibit the problem in the highest consequence situation possible? ...which brings me to my next point...one guy tried passing an 18 wheeler on a 2 lane road, in the rain, with oncoming traffic, family in the truck, knowing his truck had the issue, and when it lost power he put all the blame on the truck. If you know your truck has the issue, then for crissake don't put your life at the mercy of the thousands of moving and electrical parts in the drivetrain. This is where I start blaming the driver. Furthermore, I do believe, ecoboost or not, if you're regularly relying on engine power as a safety system to prevent injury or death, then you seriously need to reevaluate your driving habits. Automotive drivetrains just arent designed and built to the same standard that a safety system is.

I have never said there isn't a problem or that ford shouldn't have to fix it or that its the drivers fault. I believe quite the opposite actually, but we maintain more credibility and have a higher chance of a positive outcome if we are all reasonable about the problem and don't try to make it into something it's not. A touch of conservative driving practices couldn't hurt either, thus reducing the consequence of any engine failure.

Edit: I never questioned how buddyxp drives his truck, just implied its an option to adjust his driving habits while waiting for a fix rather than trading it in after one loss-of-power episode because its "dangerous".

Originally Posted by chlngfyo2

Mine's at Machens today getting tsb 13 3 3 hopefully its an improvement.
How are some of you getting the dealership to change or atleast look at the plug's?