murdr

This seems awesome . but here is what i dont understand, is if your going to drop the doe on two new turbos then why not just get the 5.0 and twin turbo that since you are already spending the cash. Thats just me , i guess...

engineermike

Because it is 5 times easier to upgrade turbo's on a engine that already has them, than to install them on an engine that doesn't.

mechanicboy

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration there

I look forward to seeing what they can do.

NASSTY

If fabricating turbo headers and intercooler piping comes easy to you than you may be right.

Full-Race Geoff

as part of our contract, we have to get some educational info on our website telling the story and background of our relationship with Ford and this project. Ill detail this in the build thread next week

Here is Part 1 for anyone eager to see some stuff before SEMA, most of you already know the info there, but part 2 should be online tonite, and that + part 3 is where you can start to geek out and the real discussion will open up

jcain

damn you geoff. i'm in town this weekend, you're on vacation, and the truck is in paint. so i don't get tosee it. blashpemy. guess i'm not brining my gto with me to pheonix now so you can see a garage built twin turbo gto. shucks.

engineermike

You're right. 5 times is a bit low. In reality, it's at least 10 times harder to install turbos on a NA engine than to upgrade turbos on a turbo engine.

I've done more than a few of these.

mtxpert

Not to mention that our turbo motors are expecting boost and built to handle it, the 5.0L is not and more than a few pounds is no bueno. I'm looking forward to all of the awesome things that are coming out for this V6 turbo platform, if the rumor is true that a V6 Ecoboost is coming to the Mustang next year that will really open up the aftermarket, we will have the next Buick GN on our hands and my little Flex will get all kinds of good trickle down parts, I LOVE IT!

mechanicboy

Actually Ford said they specifically built the 5.0 to handle F/I.(edit: I should say they specifically built it knowing they were going to add FI later). This is probably why it makes big numbers with very low boost.

I looks to me like FR is replacing just about everything but the manifolds(although they might because they have the ability) so they are not very short of building a complete system from scratch. Their advantage is that they have a starting template from the old parts, which is nice.

The Ecoboost is going to make big torque numbers and not huge HP numbers until they do something with the cames. The cams were specifically built to make torque, and that's what this motor does. I wonder if FR will do something with them, now that could be fun

engineermike

Some things may have been designed to work with FI, but I can assure you that if Ford releases a super/turbocharged 5.0, it will not have the current F150 pistons in it.

They will likely not be replacing a lot of "infrastructure", if you will, such as the MAP sensor, oil feed/return lines, water feed/return lines, the drain hole into the oil pan, heat shielded components near the turbos, pistons, etc... They also won't have to make room for the turbos if they use similarly sized turbos vs stock. However, this is kinda beside the point, because many users will stop at bolt-ons and a turbo upgrade and not replace as much as they are.

I agree with you. The EB runs out of steam before 6000 rpm, but the 3.7 makes power to 7000. I posted a year ago that it would be neat to install the 3.7 cams in the EB, but someone pointed out that the 3.7 cams won't have the HPFP drive on it.