Ford Corporate's answer to my MPG complaints
12-06-2012, 12:46 AM
#21
Senior Member
I find myself being in agreement with Corey. I bought the truck a little over a month ago. I bought the ecob because I drive a lot for my business. The truck now has over 5,000 miles on it. For the last thousand miles it shows an average of 20.6 mpg.
I get on it occassionally. I baby it a lot. It has caused me to start driving the speed limit which makes me laugh at the LEOs doing traffic control. Or maybe I'm laughing at the others not doing the speed limit.
Maybe if enough ecobs are sold people will start doing the speed limit to get better mileage. Maybe.
I get on it occassionally. I baby it a lot. It has caused me to start driving the speed limit which makes me laugh at the LEOs doing traffic control. Or maybe I'm laughing at the others not doing the speed limit.
Maybe if enough ecobs are sold people will start doing the speed limit to get better mileage. Maybe.
12-06-2012, 07:25 AM
#22
Exactly. And this right here is another point I'd lik to bring up. The differences that could be attributed to 93 octane over 87 or lower. Some engines are very sensitive to fuel quality and energy content and ability to burn, I have no knowledge if the EB does, however it being DI leads me to assume so.
Cost per mile is what is important. If you pay $3.10 for 87 and do 17 mpg and pay $3.60 for 93 and do 20 mpg, you just paid nearly the EXACT same price per mile.
Every claim I have seen here with exception of a few, would mean the differences between all of us are very minimal in a cost per mile sense.
http://www.unfocusedbrain.com/projec...es_per_dollar/
Cost per mile is what is important. If you pay $3.10 for 87 and do 17 mpg and pay $3.60 for 93 and do 20 mpg, you just paid nearly the EXACT same price per mile.
Every claim I have seen here with exception of a few, would mean the differences between all of us are very minimal in a cost per mile sense.
http://www.unfocusedbrain.com/projec...es_per_dollar/
Last edited by kydsid; 12-06-2012 at 07:28 AM.
12-06-2012, 07:37 AM
#23
Senior Member
Originally Posted by yokev
Sorry, but Ford's position is IN-defensible in this situation. THEY'RE the ones who blasted from the mountain tops that they PURPOSELY BUILT a TT 6cy so owners would have the POWER OF AN 8cyl, and the MILEAGE of a 6cyl. Their marketing is completely directed at this point. So it turns out the thing doesn't get any better mileage than an 8cyl. Ford knew this in development, but they needed to get PAID for all the R&D money they sunk into the thing. They aren't the first, and they certainly WON'T be the last. I laugh a little bit before I start BawlinG when I think of the(POS) Silverado 5.3(cyl deact.) I just got rid of getting 3mpg better average than what I'm getting now. I have NO excuse though... I checked fuelly.com, and compared the GM 5.3s to the Ecoboosts, and even on there, with the countless numbers of trucks people are tracking their mileage on, the 5.3. was showing an average of 17.x, and the equally-equipped Ecoboost trucks showing 2.5mpg less. I SAW this before I pulled the trigger.
Couldn't afford what I really wanted-a diesel, and I sure as heck wasn't about to go back and purchase another Silverado 1500, the truck I just lemon-lawed... The Dodge V8s and the Japanese full-size trucks get worse mileage than the Ford and GM.
I wasn't gonna get a 5L Ford either. Had em before, and no matter what they do to 'em, you can't hide the fact that it's a SMALL displacement V8. And small V8s get their power up high. Most jobs a truck is used for(towing, hauling, hitting the trails in your local Ntl Forrest) requires torque at a lower rpm. The Eboost gives that to you. Ford just walks a mighty fine line with their marketing of it.
Couldn't afford what I really wanted-a diesel, and I sure as heck wasn't about to go back and purchase another Silverado 1500, the truck I just lemon-lawed...
The Dodge V8s and the Japanese full-size trucks get worse mileage than the Ford and GM.I wasn't gonna get a 5L Ford either. Had em before, and no matter what they do to 'em, you can't hide the fact that it's a SMALL displacement V8. And small V8s get their power up high. Most jobs a truck is used for(towing, hauling, hitting the trails in your local Ntl Forrest) requires torque at a lower rpm. The Eboost gives that to you. Ford just walks a mighty fine line with their marketing of it.
12-06-2012, 07:40 AM
#24
Senior Member
Originally Posted by kydsid
Exactly. And this right here is another point I'd lik to bring up. The differences that could be attributed to 93 octane over 87 or lower. Some engines are very sensitive to fuel quality and energy content and ability to burn, I have no knowledge if the EB does, however it being DI leads me to assume so.
Cost per mile is what is important. If you pay $3.10 for 87 and do 17 mpg and pay $3.60 for 93 and do 20 mpg, you just paid nearly the EXACT same price per mile.
Every claim I have seen here with exception of a few, would mean the differences between all of us are very minimal in a cost per mile sense.
http://www.unfocusedbrain.com/projec...es_per_dollar/
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12-06-2012, 11:46 AM
#26
Senior Member
Exactly. And this right here is another point I'd lik to bring up. The differences that could be attributed to 93 octane over 87 or lower. Some engines are very sensitive to fuel quality and energy content and ability to burn, I have no knowledge if the EB does, however it being DI leads me to assume so.
Cost per mile is what is important. If you pay $3.10 for 87 and do 17 mpg and pay $3.60 for 93 and do 20 mpg, you just paid nearly the EXACT same price per mile...
Cost per mile is what is important. If you pay $3.10 for 87 and do 17 mpg and pay $3.60 for 93 and do 20 mpg, you just paid nearly the EXACT same price per mile...
There is no difference in energy content between 87 and 93 (assuming the same Ethanol content) and in most scenarios, the ECM is not pulling timing due to detonation on 87. If it's not pulling timing, then there will be no difference in power and fuel economy.
12-06-2012, 12:10 PM
#27
ASE Master Auto Tech
If you go visit the GM truck site you will hear the same complaints from them as well. Some get good mileage, some not so good except there 5.3 makes 50 hp less and 85 lb feet of torque less!!!
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12-06-2012, 12:20 PM
#28
I see people all over the place with mileage reports every day. A co-workers max tow 12 EB FX4 CC shortbox gets 12.5 around town. He just had his 5,000 mile oil change and just got 22mpg on 140 mile trip. NEVER ONCE did he complain about mileage as he has the best performing 1/2 ton on the market and has fun driving it. Short trips these things don't get good mileage simply because of the stop and go and rich a/f at startup. Put some miles on these things before worrying about mileage and drive them hard varying speed especially when new. **WITH A ENGINE PROPERLY WARMED UP. Everyone I have told to do that has reported back with an improvement in mileage.
Except those with bigger tires and lifts/leveling kits. You can go bigger or go mpg's but you can't have both. Well... tuned you are closer to having it all.
Except those with bigger tires and lifts/leveling kits. You can go bigger or go mpg's but you can't have both. Well... tuned you are closer to having it all.
12-06-2012, 02:35 PM
#29
Not all are bad. That's the issue.
Mine is a 4door 4wd with 3.73s...always had decent mileage tuned, stock, modded the way it is now, always. I get 21 easily...as high as 24 at times...did so stock as well. If I drive it to do so...if I fly around its still in the 17s at the lowest unless I'm wot constantly or something. Now...the faster you go then obviously lower MPG. 80 I'm like 18s...70~75 like 19 on longer trips. It all depends on the variables. Last winter I drove to Nashville from Jackson Ms, 21.5 for the round trip running just shy of 75 the entire trip...stock w/ 93 oct gas.
My average round trip to work and back is like 30 miles...if I hot rod in traffic its like 19...if I do the speed limit where the high is 65 and low is 35 w/ 10 red light mixed in I get 22. That's modded...in a 13s 1/4 brick.
If you just can't get these mileage numbers there is something a miss. Either you...the truck...or another variable. (Wind, fuel, terrain, those E rated tires ect)
Mine is a 4door 4wd with 3.73s...always had decent mileage tuned, stock, modded the way it is now, always. I get 21 easily...as high as 24 at times...did so stock as well. If I drive it to do so...if I fly around its still in the 17s at the lowest unless I'm wot constantly or something. Now...the faster you go then obviously lower MPG. 80 I'm like 18s...70~75 like 19 on longer trips. It all depends on the variables. Last winter I drove to Nashville from Jackson Ms, 21.5 for the round trip running just shy of 75 the entire trip...stock w/ 93 oct gas.
My average round trip to work and back is like 30 miles...if I hot rod in traffic its like 19...if I do the speed limit where the high is 65 and low is 35 w/ 10 red light mixed in I get 22. That's modded...in a 13s 1/4 brick.
If you just can't get these mileage numbers there is something a miss. Either you...the truck...or another variable. (Wind, fuel, terrain, those E rated tires ect)
Last edited by RockhoundF150; 12-06-2012 at 02:37 PM.
12-06-2012, 10:40 PM
#30
Senior Member
The MPG ESTIMATES are not Fords numbers by the way they are generated by EPA testing.
The EPA highway test is about 10 miles long, done on a dyno and the average speed is around 48 MPH. With most people here running 65 - 75 MPH on the highway I'm not surprised there are some not matching what's on the sticker.
That being said.......my truck is still around 18 MPG overall after 36,000 miles and I mash the throttle to the floor several times a day. On the highway commuting I can get 22 without trying real hard. The mileage around town is much lower..... about 16.5, that has dropped about 1 mpg since I put a tune in it, mostly I think because of the way I drive it now, with a smile on my face all the time.
Oh yeah.....and I can out run a Porsche Boxter, a Pontiac G8 GXP, a Honda S2000, my brothers 88 Corvette......etc. in my 6000 LB TRUCK!
The EPA highway test is about 10 miles long, done on a dyno and the average speed is around 48 MPH. With most people here running 65 - 75 MPH on the highway I'm not surprised there are some not matching what's on the sticker.
That being said.......my truck is still around 18 MPG overall after 36,000 miles and I mash the throttle to the floor several times a day. On the highway commuting I can get 22 without trying real hard. The mileage around town is much lower..... about 16.5, that has dropped about 1 mpg since I put a tune in it, mostly I think because of the way I drive it now, with a smile on my face all the time.
Oh yeah.....and I can out run a Porsche Boxter, a Pontiac G8 GXP, a Honda S2000, my brothers 88 Corvette......etc. in my 6000 LB TRUCK!
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