Ecoboost PSA: Intercooler/Lower Bumper Grille
11-03-2011, 01:23 AM
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At -5C running 110km/h for 45mins the transmition temp shows around 75C instead of normal 91C
therefore, I don't think the intercooler grill will do anything to lower the performance..,..
side note, the winter fuel gives less power......
02-05-2012, 03:17 AM
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I guess I should have bought a 5.0 and not a 3.5. Can't add anything as it will restrict airflow. I think Ford should rethink this. Unless, this is a crock. Let's hear from a Ford person who knows, not someone who thinks what is right or wrong. Do you have real developers from Ford that read this? And if so get them to explain why with an EB engine you cannot add anything to the front of the truck with out losing the advantage of having an EB engine.
02-05-2012, 05:11 PM
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Hopefully an answer to the warranty question
I just sent an email to Ford Motor Company's main HQ. It basically reads:
There seems to be a huge debate between consumers and even dealers across the Ford family on whether or not warranty will be honored on an F150 Ecoboost if the lower bumper opening is covered with a billet style grille. The Ford Flex has a factory grill covering, so why can't the F150? Many Ecoboost purchaser's want to install one of these grilles of one type or another, however, if the warranty would be voided, they may have a change of heart until after the warranty period. My main question to you is, 'What is Ford Motor Company's stance on this issue?'
I have been reading most of this thread, and I agree that the opening looks waaaay better with a grille covering it. However, since my pockets are not real deep, I need that warranty if something goes wrong. I will post Fords response when it comes back. Hopefully they will answer the question in plain English and not state some mumbo jumbo that requires 3 lawyers to interpret it.
There seems to be a huge debate between consumers and even dealers across the Ford family on whether or not warranty will be honored on an F150 Ecoboost if the lower bumper opening is covered with a billet style grille. The Ford Flex has a factory grill covering, so why can't the F150? Many Ecoboost purchaser's want to install one of these grilles of one type or another, however, if the warranty would be voided, they may have a change of heart until after the warranty period. My main question to you is, 'What is Ford Motor Company's stance on this issue?'
I have been reading most of this thread, and I agree that the opening looks waaaay better with a grille covering it. However, since my pockets are not real deep, I need that warranty if something goes wrong. I will post Fords response when it comes back. Hopefully they will answer the question in plain English and not state some mumbo jumbo that requires 3 lawyers to interpret it.
02-06-2012, 12:21 AM
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I installed a grill the first week I purchased my truck, not so much for protecting the IC, but to close the built in stepping stool that the guys at the car wash were using to wipe down the hood.
This is my third turbo charge vehicle. These grills are not going to change the performance in any way. Gases heat up when you compress it, allowing those gases to quickly expand throws off that heat. Inter cooler is just an expansion valve.
Think about it, the velocity of the air moving through the IC is so fast that it's not going o pick up any heat from the metal housing. The cooling fins are more to keeping the metal cooler and all the associated plumbing cooler than the air going into the intake manifold
This is my third turbo charge vehicle. These grills are not going to change the performance in any way. Gases heat up when you compress it, allowing those gases to quickly expand throws off that heat. Inter cooler is just an expansion valve.
Think about it, the velocity of the air moving through the IC is so fast that it's not going o pick up any heat from the metal housing. The cooling fins are more to keeping the metal cooler and all the associated plumbing cooler than the air going into the intake manifold
02-06-2012, 12:52 AM
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If you were to take a radiator and blast 100mph air through it, then take the same radiator and blast 50mph air through it - which radiator would better cool the outflow. The 50mph one, because if the air flow is to high going accross the fins there is an extremely poor heat exchange rate going on. At 100mph the air is moving so fast it cannot capture (exchange) the heat from the metal fins properly. Lets say the inlet water temp is 100 degrees - I can guarantee that you would not be able to hold your hand on the back side of that radiator for more than a couple seconds with low air flow. But with the high air flow you could hold your hand there all day.
Lower air flow = better exchange rate.
Does the grill actually make the cooler - run cooler???
Lower air flow = better exchange rate.
Does the grill actually make the cooler - run cooler???
02-07-2012, 09:51 PM
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Answer = No real answer
FOMOCO wrote back as to whether warranty would be jeopardized or not by adding a grille to the lower front bumper. The answer did not surprise me, but I guess I had hoped for more of a black or white answer.
"Thank you for contacting Ford Motor Company. This is Chermaine with the Ford Customer Relationship Center. I had the opportunity to read your email inquiring if the warranty on a Ford F-150 Ecoboost will be voided if the lower bumper opening on the front bumper is covered with a billet style grille.
I appreciate the time you have taken to write us about this matter.
Please be advised that the installation or use of any after-market product, such as a billet style grille, will not necessarily void the New Vehicle Limited Warranty. However, if the after-market product fails or causes a Ford Motor Company part to fail, the cost of the repair and any related damage(s) are not covered by your Ford Motor Company warranty.
Ford Motor Company does not recommend changes to our products. Only changes that have been thoroughly tested and approved by Ford Engineering should be considered. In this case, Ford part numbers will be issued and parts made available for purchase through our dealers.
I hope this information helps you. Once again, thank you for contacting Ford Motor Company.
Sincerely,
Chermaine
Customer Relationship Center
Ford Motor Company"
Personally I plan to keep my grille on. It Looks better; there is no actual proof that harm is being done; no proof that anyones IC was directly affected due to having one installed.
Chermaine
Customer Relationship Center
Ford Motor Company"
02-08-2012, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mirandan50
FOMOCO wrote back as to whether warranty would be jeopardized or not by adding a grille to the lower front bumper. The answer did not surprise me, but I guess I had hoped for more of a black or white answer."Thank you for contacting Ford Motor Company. This is Chermaine with the Ford Customer Relationship Center. I had the opportunity to read your email inquiring if the warranty on a Ford F-150 Ecoboost will be voided if the lower bumper opening on the front bumper is covered with a billet style grille.
I appreciate the time you have taken to write us about this matter. Please be advised that the installation or use of any after-market product, such as a billet style grille, will not necessarily void the New Vehicle Limited Warranty. However, if the after-market product fails or causes a Ford Motor Company part to fail, the cost of the repair and any related damage(s) are not covered by your Ford Motor Company warranty.
Ford Motor Company does not recommend changes to our products. Only changes that have been thoroughly tested and approved by Ford Engineering should be considered. In this case, Ford part numbers will be issued and parts made available for purchase through our dealers.
I hope this information helps you. Once again, thank you for contacting Ford Motor Company.
Sincerely,
Chermaine
Customer Relationship Center
Ford Motor Company"
Personally I plan to keep my grille on. It Looks better; there is no actual proof that harm is being done; no proof that anyones IC was directly affected due to having one installed.
I appreciate the time you have taken to write us about this matter. Please be advised that the installation or use of any after-market product, such as a billet style grille, will not necessarily void the New Vehicle Limited Warranty. However, if the after-market product fails or causes a Ford Motor Company part to fail, the cost of the repair and any related damage(s) are not covered by your Ford Motor Company warranty.
Ford Motor Company does not recommend changes to our products. Only changes that have been thoroughly tested and approved by Ford Engineering should be considered. In this case, Ford part numbers will be issued and parts made available for purchase through our dealers.
I hope this information helps you. Once again, thank you for contacting Ford Motor Company.
Sincerely,
Chermaine
Customer Relationship Center
Ford Motor Company"
Personally I plan to keep my grille on. It Looks better; there is no actual proof that harm is being done; no proof that anyones IC was directly affected due to having one installed.
02-08-2012, 11:24 PM
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I agree Mirandan50, I will keep my 35.00 dollar chrome billet cover for the front of my bumper as I see it having no effect on the performance of my ecoboost. I recieved the same migamaroll. Nothing concrete, if you like it, do it, but make sure it is tight. Mine is and I see no damage coming from my $35.00 billet grill. And what a cosmetic difference it makes.
