snobdds

I don't know what to make of the fuel numbers, nor the underlying issue. They seem to be all over the place.

I wish Ford would disclose their strategy for fuel injection fuel maps and duration. Maybe it would provide a clue.

Ron AKA

I've done a bit more research on the EcoBoost oil issue since I last posted. Here is essentially a copy of what I posted in another thread. My conclusion is that the very most important oil parameter is starting 100 deg. F viscosity. This value is going to be diluted down with gasoline, but the higher you start the higher it should stay after gasoline addition. There is a bit of an opening in the Ford requirements for oil on this engine. While they specify a 5W-30 oil, they allow it to meet the Ford spec, or API SN. There are some diesel oils and even European formula oils that meet SN. Because they do not meet the high fuel economy GF-5 spec they are heavier oils. Should be one of the best choices for oil in the EcoBoost. My thoughts are that an oil that starts at or near 12 cSt for viscosity should stay within SAE 30 spec (>9.3) even with the addition of the gasoline dilution. Here is the detail. Of the three oils, you will probably find it easiest to get the Mobil Delvac 1 product in Canada.

The EcoBoost provides some unique challenges for the oil. First it is direct injection and that tends to promote blow-by the rings especially during startup. Second the PCV system becomes quite ineffective during boost conditions as there is no positive flow through the crankcase. The combination of these two factors is not good. The oil suffers from dilution and viscosity loss due to the gasoline, and the corrosion inhibitor (TBN) levels are consumed more rapidly due to poorly vented moisture.

What does that mean when choosing oil? I would suggest the following in order of priority:

1. Get the highest possible 100 deg. C viscosity SAE 30 weight oil. SAE 30 viscosity is within spec from 9.3 to 12.5 cSt. You want an oil as close as possible to the 12.5 cSt. The purpose is to keep the viscosity in the SAE 30 range, even after gasoline dilution. The higher the starting viscosity the better.
2. A secondary measure of high temperature viscosity is HTHS. Again you want as high a value as is available for a SAE 30 weight oil. Oils meeting ACEA E6, E7, & E9 will have a minimum HTHS of 3.5.
3. A high TBN value is useful to prevent corrosion due to moisture in the oil, and extend life of the oil. An oil meeting those ACEA specs will have a minimum TBN of 9.

Assuming your want to maintain your Ford warranty, you will have to choose a 5W-30 oil, that meets Ford specs or is API SN qualified. Note that Fords does not say it has to be GF-5 qualified, and it is actually best to avoid oil which is GF-5 qualified. It has a fuel economy component which discourages higher viscosity oil, which is your number 1 priority.

So what oil? I suggest one of the three following oils. The first two are potentially the same oil with different names, and both good.

1. Mobil Delvac 1 LE 5W-30 - It is API SN qualified, has a 100 deg. C viscosity of 11.8, HTHS >3.5, and TBN of 10.
http://www.mobil.com/Canada-English/..._LE_5W-30.aspx

2. Chevron Delo 400 LE Synthetic 5W-30 - Also API SN qualified, 100 deg. C viscosity of 11.7, HTHS > 3.5, and TBN of 9.8.
https://cglapps.chevron.com/msdspds/...&docFormat=PDF

3. Kendall GT-1 Full Synthetic Euro 5W-30 - API SN qualified, 100 deg. C viscosity of 12.0, HTHS 3.5, and TBN of 7.3. This one is a bit of a mixed bag, and the reason I put it third. It has the highest 100 deg. C viscosity, but the lowest TBN... Probably good if you are not going to attempt long oil change intervals, which I would not recommend in any case.
http://www.phillips66lubricants.com/...w%20826309.pdf

Hope that helps some. I'm convinced that if one is very selective about the oil used in the EcoBoost, one can minimize the engine wear issues caused by the gasoline diluted oil.

papa tiger

FORD WSS M2C946 A:2013
Engineering Material Specification - Oil, Engine, Ilsac Gf-5, Initial And Service Fill, Sae 5W-30


Since Motocraft is generally up to date on Ford oil specifications it will do good to read Motocrafts literature.


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• Recommended by Ford Motor Company and meets warranty requirements <<<<< <<<<<<<
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• Friction-reducing technology provides excellent wear protection and features energy-conserving characteristics, which offer significant improvement in fuel economy when compared to SAE 10W-30 motor oils
• Has performed in all dynamometer and vehicle-durability tests
• Recommended by Ford Motor Company and meets warranty requirements <<<<<< <<<<<<<<
• Available in one-quart or five-quart bottles or 55-gallon bulk quantities

Use of bulk oil is environmentally proactive and bulk quantities are available at
SAE 5W-20 Premium Synthetic Blend Motor Oil
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https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubrican...0Synthetic.pdf

European oil or a diesel oil is a great oil. I won't run a diesel oil in mine due to Catz. Warranty

millwrat

Looks like it's settling in. I started with the Ford fill, then going to Mobil1 EP 5W-30.

$27 per 5qt jug at Walmart (maybe do an oil run south to stock up, since you're in Canada) and change every 3K miles until UOA confirms lower fuel lasting through winter. I'm also using M1-212 filters, as they are relatively inexpensive @AAP with frequent 40% off discount codes (current is WD41)

I figure with what we spent on a high performance engine/truck, that more oil changes is cheap insurance.

Ron AKA

If the oil has been tested to be compliant with API SN the zinc and phosphorous levels are limited to prevent poisoning of the catalyst. No worries with API SN. That is why Ford approves it.

papa tiger

Motorcraft® SAE 5W-40 Full Synthetic Diesel Motor Oil
Usage

• For light- and heavy-duty diesel engine applications
• Particularly recommended for use in Ford vehicles equipped with Power Stroke® engines, such as trucks, buses and construction vehicles
• Recommended for use in Power Stroke® diesel engines over a wide temperature range, from down to -20°F (-29°C) to up to 100°F (38°C).
• Designed for new-generation, low-emission diesel engines
• Can be used in older engines where the manufacturer recommends API Categories CD, CF-4, CG-4, CH-4, CI-4 and CI-4 plus
• Important note: Not for use in gasoline engines equipped with catalysts <<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<

Motorcraft® SAE 0W-30 Super All Season Synthetic Motor Oil


Usage

• Formulated for today’s low-emission, electronically controlled, normally aspirated and turbocharged diesel engines
• Particularly recommended for Power Stroke® applications
• Provides excellent performance in older-generation diesel engines
• Important note: Do not use in gasoline engines equipped with catalysts <<<<< <<<<<<<<<<

Motocraft 5W30 synthetic motor oil Data Sheet

https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubrican...0Synthetic.pdf


Castrol Diesel 5W30 Data sheets Not rated for ford gas motors
http://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/Fu...%281854%29.pdf

Castrol edge 5W30 with sl approval

http://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/Fu...PXE-9P9HK3.pdf



Kendal data sheet

http://www.phillips66lubricants.com/...e.aspx?pid=323
http://www.phillips66lubricants.com/...lsynthetic.pdf


Phillips 66 oils
http://www.phillips66lubricants.com/...w%20778618.pdf

Ron AKA

Important if you are going to use an oil suitable for diesel like CJ-4 and gasoline API SN, that you check to make sure it is also qualified to ACEA E6. This specification limits phosphorus content to 0.08% the same as GF-5. Sulfur also is limited to 0.3% under E6 which is lower than GF-5 which limits sulfur to 0.5%. Makes the oil suitable for engines with catalytic converters.

Lubrizol has a great spider chart tool that lets you compare the various specifications. The gasoline and diesel tools are separate but you can bring them both ups and compare for example GF-5 and ACEA E6. Link below.

http://www.lubrizol.com/EngineOilAdd...l/default.html

papa tiger

An Excellent Shell 5W30 oil but I believe if I ask my Ford Dealer he will tell me it would risky to use it.

I'm willing to try it in my 2003 though. I do believe this is a nice find though some say it is obsolete oil additive package will investigate its obtainability at nearby outlets.


Specifications

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Shell Rimula R6 LME


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Ron AKA

Yes, should be a significant step up from a GF-5. Viscosity is 12.1, HTHS > 3.5, & TBS 10.4. The ACEA 6-12 qualification means it has less than 0.08% phosphorous so will be safe for the catalytic converter. However there is no API SN qualification that I can see. That means it is technically off side with Ford. And, while those listed factors look very good, it appears to be a step below the quality of the Delo and Delvac oils I gave info on. Use the Lubrizol tool to compare the Volvo VDS-3 qualification this oil has, to the VDS-4 that those other two oils have.

There are these other oils that are just as good, perhaps better, and are on side with Ford with their SN approval, so no reason to go off side to use the Shell product.

papa tiger

A comparison of GF4 and GF5 oils and the new stuff for GF5 and where they are the same. Note compatibility with 5 different seal material is new for GF5 along with the mileage thing. The new seal compatibility thing is big. Blue is where they are the same and Red is where GF5 is new to lubrication for motors.

You will notice it says in wear they are the same. Tests done with a major oil lubrication brand. Major differences are listed above as the new ones with GF5.

http://www.gf-5.com/the_story/testing





I have said before the modern motor with the geroter style oil pump on the crankshaft is about amount of flow that gets the job done with the correct spec oils. Ones who get gasoline or contaminants in their oil should change oil or install a Rx dual valve can. Simply remove the contaminants the oil filter can't either way. That's my way and with the current 22.5 MPG CAFE standard for light trucks it seems a decent lubricant is there for us. Even going to Dexos 1 you need to watch the manufactures specs to outdo the Average GF5 oil of a major brand.