Ecoboost Oil report
10-08-2014, 01:05 PM
#61
Senior Member
You have no control of what Ford puts in the vehicle before you own it. It is their vehicle. After you buy it, then you have control. Fortunately Ford allows you to use 5W30 API SN oil.
10-08-2014, 01:07 PM
#63
XII
That's not going to work for the "Absolute Alchemist" The Absolute Alchemist has a home brew in the pot that is better than modern motor oil in the USA.
The Absolute Alchemist knows what is best for the rest. The ( Elixir ) in the back of his Wagon ?
That's not going to work for the "Absolute Alchemist" The Absolute Alchemist has a home brew in the pot that is better than modern motor oil in the USA.
The Absolute Alchemist knows what is best for the rest. The ( Elixir ) in the back of his Wagon ?
Last edited by papa tiger; 10-08-2014 at 01:11 PM.
10-08-2014, 01:16 PM
#64
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=11669
10-08-2014, 01:20 PM
#65
Senior Member
Clearly we have very different objectives in selecting an engine oil. My intention is to select the very best oil for the application given the troubling EcoBoost cam chain failures that owners are experiencing. There are two unique issues with this engine that require consideration. Both are related to direct injection and turbo operation. Turbo operation and direct injection contribute to gasoline dilution of the oil, which in turn thins the oil down a grade. DI also promotes soot formation which accumulates in the oil. Soot is carbon and can be quite abrasive. The combination of thin oil and abrasive contamination is certainly not good for the life of the cam chain.
2. You cannot say that there is any correlation to the oil, oil change frequency, or even filter and the cam chain issues some are experiencing.
3. If soot loading is the issue, a high capacity/high quality filter with a small micron rating and a high efficiency like a Fram Ultra would be better than playing with oils.
It appears you want to ignore all that and just find any old oil that "will suffice". I'm sure those who come here to find help in selecting the best oil do not share that view. I do not.
For that reason I would not advise just any oil that would suffice, but one that will deal with the soot contamination and gasoline thinning of the oil. The EcoBoost is a rather unique engine with unique problems, and I would suggest does require a much better oil than the average non turbo non DI engine.
Ford also has plenty of these engines in use in fleet operations where they either: 1) get the cheapest oil they can find, or 2) Pull into Qwik-E-Lube and get #1. They last just fine.
Again, run what Ford says, change it when you feel like or the OLM tells you to, and your engine will last just fine.
Last edited by itguy08; 10-08-2014 at 01:22 PM.
10-08-2014, 01:20 PM
#66
I Bow to that Wisdom. Lol ;>/
I have pulled a lot of motors down and have found little to complain about if they got regular oil changes. Main and Rod Bearing would still be hanging in there even at high mileage if so. The crank journals would still measure in tolerance and only need turning for a rebuild warranty. Ultimately it was overheating that did them in mostly due to intake manifold gaslet/head gaskets or radiator/water pump issues.
I have pulled a lot of motors down and have found little to complain about if they got regular oil changes. Main and Rod Bearing would still be hanging in there even at high mileage if so. The crank journals would still measure in tolerance and only need turning for a rebuild warranty. Ultimately it was overheating that did them in mostly due to intake manifold gaslet/head gaskets or radiator/water pump issues.
Last edited by papa tiger; 10-08-2014 at 01:28 PM.
10-08-2014, 02:39 PM
#67
Senior Member
1. You don't own an Ecoboost so the babble about selecting the best oil for it is not applicable to you. You can't pick an oil for something you don't own and probably won't own.
2. You cannot say that there is any correlation to the oil, oil change frequency, or even filter and the cam chain issues some are experiencing.
3. If soot loading is the issue, a high capacity/high quality filter with a small micron rating and a high efficiency like a Fram Ultra would be better than playing with oils.
No, I prefer to use what the manufacturer says is best in my engine rather than some "Internet Expert" with outdated information that is trolling various forums.
So then explain how my Ecoboost, fed a diet of dealer 5w20 (probably the cheapest swill that meets Ford's specs) changed at approximately 7,500 miles has not had any engine issues for 80k now (nearing 81k.) Surely if all this talk mattered I'd be seeing issues as I don't baby that either. And 5w20 is "thin like water".
Ford also has plenty of these engines in use in fleet operations where they either: 1) get the cheapest oil they can find, or 2) Pull into Qwik-E-Lube and get #1. They last just fine.
Again, run what Ford says, change it when you feel like or the OLM tells you to, and your engine will last just fine.
2. You cannot say that there is any correlation to the oil, oil change frequency, or even filter and the cam chain issues some are experiencing.
3. If soot loading is the issue, a high capacity/high quality filter with a small micron rating and a high efficiency like a Fram Ultra would be better than playing with oils.
No, I prefer to use what the manufacturer says is best in my engine rather than some "Internet Expert" with outdated information that is trolling various forums.
So then explain how my Ecoboost, fed a diet of dealer 5w20 (probably the cheapest swill that meets Ford's specs) changed at approximately 7,500 miles has not had any engine issues for 80k now (nearing 81k.) Surely if all this talk mattered I'd be seeing issues as I don't baby that either. And 5w20 is "thin like water".
Ford also has plenty of these engines in use in fleet operations where they either: 1) get the cheapest oil they can find, or 2) Pull into Qwik-E-Lube and get #1. They last just fine.
Again, run what Ford says, change it when you feel like or the OLM tells you to, and your engine will last just fine.
Sorry, but we should agree to disagree. You are just offering an opinion not based on facts. For that reason I reject it. Clearly you do not have an understanding of mechanical engine issues and how they interact with the lubricating oil. Others can make their own decision.
10-08-2014, 02:41 PM
#68
Senior Member
10-08-2014, 02:51 PM
#69
Senior Member
Sorry, but we should agree to disagree. You are just offering an opinion not based on facts. For that reason I reject it. Clearly you do not have an understanding of mechanical engine issues and how they interact with the lubricating oil. Others can make their own decision.
With that I say "Good day sir."
10-08-2014, 02:51 PM
#70
Senior Member