Ecoboost condensate drain hole, post your results here
03-11-2014, 08:49 PM
#821
Senior Member
My take on this is a little different. I have had the condensation issue one time and one time only. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't replicate it. First thing I did was check the plug gaps, second was drill the hole. I still got water in my oil the last 2 winters, the oil level steadily climbed during the cold weather. This can not be good for the engine and I don't want to change the oil every two weeks.
After installing the RX can system and only running for about 1.5 hours I can drain about 30-40 cc of mostly water and assorted crap from the can. In less than 3 hrs of run time my oil level has come down from being a half quart too full, back to the specified oil level and it looks much cleaner. If nothing else it will extend engine life and give me peace of mind. And the water it does take out won't be going into the intake.
After installing the RX can system and only running for about 1.5 hours I can drain about 30-40 cc of mostly water and assorted crap from the can. In less than 3 hrs of run time my oil level has come down from being a half quart too full, back to the specified oil level and it looks much cleaner. If nothing else it will extend engine life and give me peace of mind. And the water it does take out won't be going into the intake.
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03-12-2014, 12:04 AM
#822
My take on this is a little different. I have had the condensation issue one time and one time only. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't replicate it. First thing I did was check the plug gaps, second was drill the hole. I still got water in my oil the last 2 winters, the oil level steadily climbed during the cold weather. This can not be good for the engine and I don't want to change the oil every two weeks.
After installing the RX can system and only running for about 1.5 hours I can drain about 30-40 cc of mostly water and assorted crap from the can. In less than 3 hrs of run time my oil level has come down from being a half quart too full, back to the specified oil level and it looks much cleaner. If nothing else it will extend engine life and give me peace of mind. And the water it does take out won't be going into the intake.
After installing the RX can system and only running for about 1.5 hours I can drain about 30-40 cc of mostly water and assorted crap from the can. In less than 3 hrs of run time my oil level has come down from being a half quart too full, back to the specified oil level and it looks much cleaner. If nothing else it will extend engine life and give me peace of mind. And the water it does take out won't be going into the intake.
03-12-2014, 09:08 AM
#823
Senior Member
Well yes it could potentially get a gulp of crap, but the way the can is constructed minimizes the chances. So far I haven't even driven very far on the highway to see how much it will take in, but when the temps on the inside of the engine get up to operating temp you should see some evaporation just like you do in warm weather. I don't see the water accumulating in the summer or if I go on longer trips in the winter, just during periods where I do a lot of short, around town errands or just driving to work(only about 1.5 miles) during winter.
Short answer--don't forget.
03-12-2014, 10:33 AM
#824
The answer is to stop polluting this thread, and create a nother that is titled: "Ecoboost condensate catch can, post your results here"
And contains:
"It's been discussed in various threads that a potential solution to the intercooler condensation issue is a catch can. I know at many people have installed a catch can, I wanted to get some before/after observations and results from drilling the hole."
Then, after 6 months or a couple of seasons of people not having the issue with only making the catch can change, the rest of us will be willing to accept that it's a solution. A vendor, and a manf. are frankly, not my favorite sources of information. We've seen several already claim a fix (new intercooler), then it returns to much egg on their face.
And contains:
"It's been discussed in various threads that a potential solution to the intercooler condensation issue is a catch can. I know at many people have installed a catch can, I wanted to get some before/after observations and results from drilling the hole."
Then, after 6 months or a couple of seasons of people not having the issue with only making the catch can change, the rest of us will be willing to accept that it's a solution. A vendor, and a manf. are frankly, not my favorite sources of information. We've seen several already claim a fix (new intercooler), then it returns to much egg on their face.
My take on this is a little different. I have had the condensation issue one time and one time only. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't replicate it. First thing I did was check the plug gaps, second was drill the hole. I still got water in my oil the last 2 winters, the oil level steadily climbed during the cold weather. This can not be good for the engine and I don't want to change the oil every two weeks.
After installing the RX can system and only running for about 1.5 hours I can drain about 30-40 cc of mostly water and assorted crap from the can. In less than 3 hrs of run time my oil level has come down from being a half quart too full, back to the specified oil level and it looks much cleaner. If nothing else it will extend engine life and give me peace of mind. And the water it does take out won't be going into the intake.
After installing the RX can system and only running for about 1.5 hours I can drain about 30-40 cc of mostly water and assorted crap from the can. In less than 3 hrs of run time my oil level has come down from being a half quart too full, back to the specified oil level and it looks much cleaner. If nothing else it will extend engine life and give me peace of mind. And the water it does take out won't be going into the intake.
Amen. And this and the rest of those that report back are proof it cures the issue of the accumulation fin the crankcase where it originates to begin with. Correct the ingestion point flaw and then you have eliminated all the potential damage it all causes to begin with.
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03-12-2014, 10:40 AM
#825
Senior Member
https://www.f150forum.com/f70/5-0l-o...ch-can-112117/
It also accumulates a lot in the cold with the condensation forming in a cold to hot and hot to cold cycle in the engine. Especially if you do short trips cause it never burns off.
With the intercooler and plumbing there is a lot more places for it to accumulate and that can be a bad thing unless it is properly designed for it (which Ford does and has patents for).
What a catch can will not correct for is the scientific fact that heated air, compressed and then cooled will condense water. That's a scientific fact.
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03-12-2014, 10:41 AM
#826
Senior Member
It is NOT a different issue, and I have gone over it and over it. The water accumulation in the CAC goes away when you modify the PCV system to constantly evacuate. The hole is fine, but why not eliminate the cause of it to begin with? That is my point all the way through this.....amazing. And with 200 plus that have done this mod and have eliminated it, how is there any debate?
And somehow we are speaking to each other in different languages...the catchcan cannot eliminate it...you must due the PCV mod along with it and then the condensation/water accumulation issue disappears. The catchcan just traps what is running through so it is not ingested back into the intake air charge. As much as we are both on the same page on, just explain to me how this issue completely disappears after the RX dual valve PCV mod is done? I guess that would be the simplest.
Absolutely does no harm, and will drain the water portion of what is accumulating in the CAC, but it does not stop it from forming in the first place. That requires the PCV mod and then the problem goes away because it is addressed from the cause and not dealt with after the fact like the hole does.
Correct, you are right on the money. It still removes the water cheaply and effectively, but does nothing to stop this from occurring in the first place.
That seems to be what everyone is hung up on here in this thread (except the ones that have done the mod and have posted pictures and testify here that they have eliminated the issue by doing this, yet they are ignored).
And somehow we are speaking to each other in different languages...the catchcan cannot eliminate it...you must due the PCV mod along with it and then the condensation/water accumulation issue disappears. The catchcan just traps what is running through so it is not ingested back into the intake air charge. As much as we are both on the same page on, just explain to me how this issue completely disappears after the RX dual valve PCV mod is done? I guess that would be the simplest.
Absolutely does no harm, and will drain the water portion of what is accumulating in the CAC, but it does not stop it from forming in the first place. That requires the PCV mod and then the problem goes away because it is addressed from the cause and not dealt with after the fact like the hole does.
Correct, you are right on the money. It still removes the water cheaply and effectively, but does nothing to stop this from occurring in the first place.
That seems to be what everyone is hung up on here in this thread (except the ones that have done the mod and have posted pictures and testify here that they have eliminated the issue by doing this, yet they are ignored).
This is correct. I have done the rx mod and it has done its job. There is no accumulation of anything in my cac. I posted the pics and I will go another 5k miles at next oil change and drop the cac again. Ill take the pictures and post here for yall but I already know what the results will be. From what I seen when I dropped it and from what I get out the can I know its doing its job.
03-12-2014, 11:02 AM
#827
Senior Member
I never questioned the gunk that is there. But, that same amount of gunk is present in every car with a closed PCV system (every car since the 50's). Look here for an example from a 5.0:
https://www.f150forum.com/f70/5-0l-o...ch-can-112117/
It also accumulates a lot in the cold with the condensation forming in a cold to hot and hot to cold cycle in the engine. Especially if you do short trips cause it never burns off.
With the intercooler and plumbing there is a lot more places for it to accumulate and that can be a bad thing unless it is properly designed for it (which Ford does and has patents for).
What a catch can will not correct for is the scientific fact that heated air, compressed and then cooled will condense water. That's a scientific fact.
https://www.f150forum.com/f70/5-0l-o...ch-can-112117/
It also accumulates a lot in the cold with the condensation forming in a cold to hot and hot to cold cycle in the engine. Especially if you do short trips cause it never burns off.
With the intercooler and plumbing there is a lot more places for it to accumulate and that can be a bad thing unless it is properly designed for it (which Ford does and has patents for).
What a catch can will not correct for is the scientific fact that heated air, compressed and then cooled will condense water. That's a scientific fact.
The catch can argument is quite simply, catch it at the source, the heat pump!(engine) Before it can accumulate in the largest receptical (IC) wether or not it holds heat, moisture, or oil!
03-12-2014, 11:06 AM
#828
Senior Member
The underlying argument/question is what is the most effective way to deal with said condensation?
The catch can argument is quite simply, catch it at the source, the heat pump!(engine) Before it can accumulate in the largest receptical (IC) wether or not it holds heat, moisture, or oil!
The catch can argument is quite simply, catch it at the source, the heat pump!(engine) Before it can accumulate in the largest receptical (IC) wether or not it holds heat, moisture, or oil!
I'd say the best way to deal with it is the way Ford intended. It works well for 99.99999% of the Ecoboosts on the road.
03-12-2014, 11:14 AM
#829
I never questioned the gunk that is there. But, that same amount of gunk is present in every car with a closed PCV system (every car since the 50's). Look here for an example from a 5.0:
https://www.f150forum.com/f70/5-0l-o...ch-can-112117/
It also accumulates a lot in the cold with the condensation forming in a cold to hot and hot to cold cycle in the engine. Especially if you do short trips cause it never burns off.
With the intercooler and plumbing there is a lot more places for it to accumulate and that can be a bad thing unless it is properly designed for it (which Ford does and has patents for).
What a catch can will not correct for is the scientific fact that heated air, compressed and then cooled will condense water. That's a scientific fact.
https://www.f150forum.com/f70/5-0l-o...ch-can-112117/
It also accumulates a lot in the cold with the condensation forming in a cold to hot and hot to cold cycle in the engine. Especially if you do short trips cause it never burns off.
With the intercooler and plumbing there is a lot more places for it to accumulate and that can be a bad thing unless it is properly designed for it (which Ford does and has patents for).
What a catch can will not correct for is the scientific fact that heated air, compressed and then cooled will condense water. That's a scientific fact.
Not correct at all, but you will never agree so why continue? Do as you choose to your truck, but don't continue to try and convince those that do want to correct it from doing it to theirs.
This is NOT present in all engines. It does enter all crankcases but as 99% have properly functioning PCV systems that evacuate at a steady and constant rate it is removes as soon as it enters and never has a chance to accumulate.
I would never be so arrogant as to go on a network forum and debate IT facts as I am not a network engineer, I am an automotive engineer.
So these people provide the proof you ask for, and you ignore it. They even attest to the rising oil levels due to unburnt fuel and water contamination has disappeared as well, and you ignore that.
You have shown you could care less about a true fix, you just want to argue and ignore it all.
These people have shown the issue (look at brucesears pictures!!!) before and after the PCV correction, and you have still shown all here facts mean nothing, you just have made it your purpose in life to convince others NOT to correct the problem.
Crazy.
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03-12-2014, 11:19 AM
#830
Senior Member
