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03-12-2014, 11:20 AM
#11
Senior Member
Obviously you have learned nothing yet about DI engines!
The picture of the intake valves are mine at 68k. There is no wash as the fuel charge is injected into the combustion chamber below these valves. The only wash that they will get is by the accumulation of snot shown in the first picture!
Accumulate enough of this and you begin to throw off your air/fuel ratio, which which ultimately leads to loss of fuel efficiency and power, which normally would be the best case scenario. The worst case senecio would be severe valve deposits that ultimately lead to valve train failure!
The picture of the intake valves are mine at 68k. There is no wash as the fuel charge is injected into the combustion chamber below these valves. The only wash that they will get is by the accumulation of snot shown in the first picture!
Accumulate enough of this and you begin to throw off your air/fuel ratio, which which ultimately leads to loss of fuel efficiency and power, which normally would be the best case scenario. The worst case senecio would be severe valve deposits that ultimately lead to valve train failure!
If you look at my signature, I own 2 vehicles with them. One with 72k and one with 45k.
The only ones claiming these non severe deposits cause issues are those selling products to "fix them". BG products set out to quantify it (www.bgfueltest.com) and while there was a power loss, the valve deposits had a negligible impact.
I can show you 72k worth of fuel economy data (yes I track every fillip) of my SHO. Summer: 25 MPG on long highway trips, 20-22 mixed. Winter: 22 or so on highway, 19-20 mixed. Like Clockwork for the past 4.25 years.
To get back to the thread, we'll have to agree to disagree. If we want to debate, shoot me a PM or start a new thread.
03-12-2014, 01:15 PM
#12
And the world is flat as well.......you have made your point yet seem to have a mission to make the rest of the world go away. Behead the messenger for bringing bad news and a way to correct it. If you have no issues with your vehicles, great. You dont need any of this. But the rest of the world showing these issues do so leave them alone please.
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03-12-2014, 02:01 PM
#13
"If you look at my signature, I own 2 vehicles with them. One with 72k and one with 45k."
Have you pulled the heads on either and looked at combustion chambers, and top of the pistons?
Anyone that owns a performance enhanced Harley Davidson can tell you the benefits of breathing to a catch can. The oil/water mix that goes through the throttle body does not get burned completely and gums up the idle air control, carbons the valves and pistons to the point of hot spots in the combustion chamber resulting in engine ping/excessive heat.
Maybe and I say maybe, a water cooled engine won't to the same degree as the Harley engine, but over time there will be build up, and that is detrimental. Don't believe what I say, ask any racer, and they teardown on a regular basis.
Have you pulled the heads on either and looked at combustion chambers, and top of the pistons?
Anyone that owns a performance enhanced Harley Davidson can tell you the benefits of breathing to a catch can. The oil/water mix that goes through the throttle body does not get burned completely and gums up the idle air control, carbons the valves and pistons to the point of hot spots in the combustion chamber resulting in engine ping/excessive heat.
Maybe and I say maybe, a water cooled engine won't to the same degree as the Harley engine, but over time there will be build up, and that is detrimental. Don't believe what I say, ask any racer, and they teardown on a regular basis.
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brucesears (03-12-2014)
03-12-2014, 02:02 PM
#14
Senior Member
And the world is flat as well.......you have made your point yet seem to have a mission to make the rest of the world go away. Behead the messenger for bringing bad news and a way to correct it. If you have no issues with your vehicles, great. You dont need any of this. But the rest of the world showing these issues do so leave them alone please.
Let me guess....and you have a solution that will fix this?!....well, isn't that convenient….lol.
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snobdds (03-12-2014)
03-12-2014, 02:10 PM
#15
Senior Member
"If you look at my signature, I own 2 vehicles with them. One with 72k and one with 45k."
Have you pulled the heads on either and looked at combustion chambers, and top of the pistons?
Anyone that owns a performance enhanced Harley Davidson can tell you the benefits of breathing to a catch can. The oil/water mix that goes through the throttle body does not get burned completely and gums up the idle air control, carbons the valves and pistons to the point of hot spots in the combustion chamber resulting in engine ping/excessive heat.
Maybe and I say maybe, a water cooled engine won't to the same degree as the Harley engine, but over time there will be build up, and that is detrimental. Don't believe what I say, ask any racer, and they teardown on a regular basis.
Have you pulled the heads on either and looked at combustion chambers, and top of the pistons?
Anyone that owns a performance enhanced Harley Davidson can tell you the benefits of breathing to a catch can. The oil/water mix that goes through the throttle body does not get burned completely and gums up the idle air control, carbons the valves and pistons to the point of hot spots in the combustion chamber resulting in engine ping/excessive heat.
Maybe and I say maybe, a water cooled engine won't to the same degree as the Harley engine, but over time there will be build up, and that is detrimental. Don't believe what I say, ask any racer, and they teardown on a regular basis.
I will say the plugs on the SHO looked nice and tan when I had them out a couple weeks ago for replacement. I've not noticed any drivability concerns and a check via OBD2 and the Torque app shows that timing isn't being abnormal pulled. Still looking for a PID for knock. I know there is one there - that's how they figured my knock sensor was bad.
The F150, I pulled the plugs (4k RPM miss) and they were a little black. But I think that's because I started the truck up, pulled into the garage and shut it down.
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Left Plate (03-12-2014)
03-12-2014, 02:18 PM
#17
Senior Member
03-12-2014, 02:22 PM
#18
I think the spark plugs can be decieving, the ones in my motorcycle looked good, on tear down I couldn't believe the amount of carbon everywhere. At one point a few years ago, when folks smarter than me suggested I vent to a can, I said it wasn't necessary. The more I get involved on the inside of engines, I should have taken heir advice then, I most certainly do now.
03-12-2014, 02:33 PM
#19
Senior Member
I know quite a bit about DI engines. I've seen all the pictures and did a fair amount of research. Heard of the VW/Audi issues as well as the early GM issues.
If you look at my signature, I own 2 vehicles with them. One with 72k and one with 45k.
The only ones claiming these non severe deposits cause issues are those selling products to "fix them". BG products set out to quantify it (www.bgfueltest.com) and while there was a power loss, the valve deposits had a negligible impact.
I can show you 72k worth of fuel economy data (yes I track every fillip) of my SHO. Summer: 25 MPG on long highway trips, 20-22 mixed. Winter: 22 or so on highway, 19-20 mixed. Like Clockwork for the past 4.25 years.
To get back to the thread, we'll have to agree to disagree. If we want to debate, shoot me a PM or start a new thread.
If you look at my signature, I own 2 vehicles with them. One with 72k and one with 45k.
The only ones claiming these non severe deposits cause issues are those selling products to "fix them". BG products set out to quantify it (www.bgfueltest.com) and while there was a power loss, the valve deposits had a negligible impact.
I can show you 72k worth of fuel economy data (yes I track every fillip) of my SHO. Summer: 25 MPG on long highway trips, 20-22 mixed. Winter: 22 or so on highway, 19-20 mixed. Like Clockwork for the past 4.25 years.
To get back to the thread, we'll have to agree to disagree. If we want to debate, shoot me a PM or start a new thread.
The only debate that I see here is wether you know as much as you THINK you do? But based on your posts, it would seem as if you don't know what you think you do!
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brucesears (03-12-2014)
03-12-2014, 02:35 PM
#20
Senior Member
You are really not going to see many issues at less than 100k. I do think issues will start showing up at 125k to 150k, but it will take some time for those vehicles to hit that mileage! By then the damage is done!
The only debate that I see here is wether you know as much as you THINK you do? But based on your posts, it would seem as if you don't know what you think you do!
The only debate that I see here is wether you know as much as you THINK you do? But based on your posts, it would seem as if you don't know what you think you do!
