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Old 07-26-2013, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Full-Race Geoff
...The stock twinturbos are “all-in” @18psi. The single turbo with the “big” EFR7064 0.92 a/r twinscroll turbo is only @13psi boost. ...
Thanks, Geoff. I'd like to expound and extrapolate on this, because I think it's important for people to understand what's going on.

Stock turbo's: 360 rwhp at 18 psi. Using crank numbers, they gain about 9 hp/psi boost.
Your turbo: 377 rwhp at 13 psi. Using crank numbers, you gain about 14 hp/psi boost.

In other words, if you had the fuel and cranked the boost up to 18 psi, you would be making about 435 rwhp, a full 75 hp improvement over stock turbos at the same boost level. And why stop at 18 psi? Just because the stockers hit the wall there doesn't mean yours does too. Going to 22 would put it around 480 rwhp.

I think it's also worth mentioning that making more power at the same boost level due to lower drive pressure, can actually improve reliability due to reduced heat and pressure loads.
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Full-Race Geoff
By change to an air-to-oil cooler it dropped temps a LOT.
Will you guys be offering one an aftermarket one?
Old 07-26-2013, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Full-Race Geoff

last – talking about condensation traps. Im surprised how many people have emailed or PMed me asking for us to make one. There are a few ways to go about this, each will have some sort of tradeoff. Less trapping = higher flowing and More trapping = higher restriction or higher volume (more turbo lag). Do you guys really want us working on this? something that would work with the stock IC? FR IC? Both?

edit: longest post, ever. i think i just got carpal tunnel
I would like to see one, maybe a couple different options developed. Here in western NM we don't see high humidity or rain very often. As I type that I'm looking out my windows and it looks like we are going to get some good rain at least this afternoon when I'm on my way to work. However, I travel to many different states that do see high humidity (ND and TX especially). I know the focus of your company is performance but if you could develop some sort of condensate trap and solve the fall-on-face issue in high rH environments, you would have folks beating down the front door to get one. Ideally, it would have to be compatible with the OEM and your own IC. You are probably 1000 steps ahead but have you thought about developing or adapting some sort of cyclone separator to the charge pipe between the IC and TB? We use a few different types of these at my job on our compressed air system. It seems like it would work if only it would fit and have no or very little impact on performance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclonic_separation
The other idea I've been kicking around is using a water to air IC. Mount it above the engine (like where your single turbo set-up is) so the cold side charge pipe is sloped toward the TB. Also, mount the IC so that it is also sloped toward the IC. That way any condensation would be consumed by the engine immediately instead of pooling anywhere.

Just some random thoughts this afternoon.

Keep up the good work on the Freak-o-boost!!
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Originally Posted by Full-Race Geoff

the F150 ecoboost are the largest GDI injectors bosch makes. even moves more fuel then the 3.0SC or RS4 gdi injectors
ahhh good to know Geoff, or maybe not rather. Just was spit balling ideas in case it was over looked. on a lighter note... maybe they will work over there on vw side of things
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I only have this to say with the new turbo the freak is way faster then my truck with tune intake cac and exhaust. And the driveability is stock or better.

This was from a short test drive in 108* temps drove my truck by to check on something walked in and was thrown the keys and told to go do a fair comparison. The truck spools SO much better then it did before with the old turbo.. And it is clearly making more power then my truck now. With a little brake boost it just blows the 33'' toyos away. The way it sits now I would not hesitate to buy the kit for one second.

Geoff we should do little side by side race video genoboost vs freakoboost sad thing is my money is on the lifted truck with bigger tires

With the old turbo I can assure you geoff was right thr truck was no fun to drive and did not feel right even though it made more power up top. The way it sits now a few kits get out there,with some reviews and they will be flying off the shelf.

Next up tablet install in the freak

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^^^ I, for one, would love to see that video. Come on Geoff lets make that happen!
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Old 07-27-2013, 01:26 AM
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Just to be clear, the stock twins on the 11-12's are all in at 18psi or does that include the 13's as well? I was hoping we'd be good for an extra psi or two.
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Geno, he has video of that truck whooping my wife's trucks ***. He was a car on me by 30ish I think.
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Thanks Geoff for the updates.
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Originally Posted by mtxpert
Geno, he has video of that truck whooping my wife's trucks ***. He was a car on me by 30ish I think.
Got ya!! Anything done to the wifes truck


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