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Old 12-10-2013, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by steve150
Looks like I'm going to be picking one up local! How many do u have down there Geoff?
i think we have 2-3 at a time, just give us a call before hand and we can make sure to have one here when youre ready to come by

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Good deal Geoff, I'm excited to check the place out. Hopefully some one would have time to give me a ride in the freak, like to see how the single compares to my twins.
right on, Im always happy to show fellow enthusiasts the shop. if im not around someone else can show you the place also, but depending on when you come to visit the truck may or may not be together.. ive got some pretty wild stuff planned for this year
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big things in store this year

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Originally Posted by Full-Race Geoff
big things in store this year
I should plan a road trip to AZ and just let you all overhaul my truck! The key is to do it without the wife knowing!
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I want one, ETA? Will we need to change out the injectors or are we good yet?

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Old 12-13-2013, 08:10 AM
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Injectors are coming too this year - from SEMA
I don't know if the DI pump will flow enough for E85 and high HP but for a big turbo pump gas engine it will definitely help. The key is the mid RPM drop in pressure due to low RPM and high torque/fuel requirements.
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Originally Posted by mtxpert
...The key is the mid RPM drop in pressure due to low RPM and high torque/fuel requirements.
Thanks - that's about the best explanation I've heard so far as to what's going on. Since the EB has a very flat hp curve, then the fuel requirement is flat, yet the pump capacity is half at 2500 rpm of what it is at 5000 rpm.

That makes me wonder, though. . . we know the stock fuel pump will support 300 rwhp at 4000 rpm. That would mean that it will support 450 rwhp at 6000 rpm if the turbos would do it. Could you taylor a boost curve on aftermarket turbo's to limit hp to the fuel pump capability throughout the curve? In other words, 300 rwhp at 4000 rpm, 375 rwhp at 5000 rpm, and 450 rwhp at 6000 rpm (a flat 395 ft-lb)? I know it would sacrifice some low-end capability, but it would still be torquey and fly on top.
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Thanks - that's about the best explanation I've heard so far as to what's going on. Since the EB has a very flat hp curve, then the fuel requirement is flat, yet the pump capacity is half at 2500 rpm of what it is at 5000 rpm.

That makes me wonder, though. . . we know the stock fuel pump will support 300 rwhp at 4000 rpm. That would mean that it will support 450 rwhp at 6000 rpm if the turbos would do it. Could you taylor a boost curve on aftermarket turbo's to limit hp to the fuel pump capability throughout the curve? In other words, 300 rwhp at 4000 rpm, 375 rwhp at 5000 rpm, and 450 rwhp at 6000 rpm (a flat 395 ft-lb)? I know it would sacrifice some low-end capability, but it would still be torquey and fly on top.
I was working on that with my Flex, the key is torque commanded in my understanding of the tuning. If we could figure out how to add an aftermarket boost controller that does RPM based boost it would be an awesome add for the truck.
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Originally Posted by mtxpert
I was working on that with my Flex, the key is torque commanded in my understanding of the tuning. If we could figure out how to add an aftermarket boost controller that does RPM based boost it would be an awesome add for the truck.
It wouldn't physically be hard to do, except the computer would freak out when it realized it had no control over boost.
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It wouldn't physically be hard to do, except the computer would freak out when it realized it had no control over boost.
My Flex didn't care until it was way above what it expected. If you keep it at a reasonable level it would be fine.
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Originally Posted by mtxpert
My Flex didn't care until it was way above what it expected. If you keep it at a reasonable level it would be fine.


I wish there was a way to supply extra fuel within a +-3000 to +- 4200 window at wot....if only there was a way...hum...
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