kelley350x

Because he must work for ford and wants to make you believe you should be ok with working on your new truck.

Fritz Geiger

News to me, when's pay day??

KYboyProud

My situation and this forum has me really angry right now. Yes, I am a first time poster (I belong to another Ford Truck enthusiasts website and have posted there). I am not a troll. I paid cash for my 2012 F150 King Ranch. It makes me sick to see some of the comments from people on here. This isn't about money for me. It is about either Ford making my truck right, or we figure out how to get it exchanged another that works.

I first experienced the shudder after 14,000 miles. That means I do not qualify for the lemon law in my state. When the shuddering first started, the truck logged no codes. The dealership had no idea what was wrong and said everything was fine. It wasn't fine. Shortly after it happened again, it logged codes and a check engine light. The vehicle was repaired using TSB 12-06-04. It did not work. Truck was then repaired using the newer 12-10-19 TSB. I waited 3 months to get the parts for TSB 12-10-19! That did not work either as it shuddered again. Vehicle now has 34,000 miles on it and has been to dealerships 5 times for the same issue. The truck is currently is at a dealership because of more vibrations and a check engine light (caught this one on cellphone video). This time the catalytic converter is bad and needs replacing. Only two days to get the parts.

I laugh at the people that say "my truck doesn't have the problem." Yes it does. This is an design problem. Just be thankful you've not encountered whatever perfect storm conditions it takes to make it happen. Unfortunately, I see them on a somewhat regular basis. They thought they had it fixed. Well it isn't. The shuddering happened when its been foggy, raining, dry, and even while rolling down hill without the accelerator being pressed, state highways with stop lights, and on interstates. Yes, twice I almost had an accident when I didn't know what the heck was going on. Now I know how to deal and be prepared for it. Safety problem? Yes. Am I still driving the truck, yes. Family with me, no. I think I can manage the issue but for the people who are in denial or who don't know about it, good luck.

Ford has a huge problem. Two fixes that didn't work. What's the next fix? Is there a next fix? I am currently seeking the help of a lawyer to see if I can make a switch back to a V8. Am I liable if I sell this truck to someone knowing it has this issue? Do I have to disclose the issue to a potential buyer? If they're injured or have an accident as a result am I liable? If I keep the truck and the intercooler and catalytic converter continuously need replacing, who pays for that after the warranty runs out?

These are the issues I'm dealing with.

TwinTurboFx4

Bummer for you.

KYboyProud

Had a lawyer contact me tonight. I just learned there is a 13-03-03 TSB. My dealership is closed for the evening. But first thing tomorrow I'm going to call and ask them if that is what they're doing to my truck. And if not, I'm going to demand it. Unfortunately, he told me that a few of the individuals he's representing have the new TSB fix and it hasn't worked for them. Ugh!!!

Bills96TA

There is a class action suit started in Louisiana for this issue fyi.

Fritz Geiger

It's a crying shame it is coming to this for some of you. I have a suspicion that the dealers will end up being responsible for mis-use, that being a simple fix is being used/mis-used to keep their techs in work. I've worked the line before and I know how hard it is to make a living as a wrench, especially in today's tech wherein cars just don't fail or need complicated services as they did 30 years ago. We used to be the problem solvers and now with complex sensory systems and almost fail proof engineering, there is little good pay work on the line for a wrench. The very reason I got out of wrenching. I can attest with my own EcoBoost that the issues with mine were THE PLUGS! they are still the one thing that will wear out among brakes, tires, oil, ball joints, shocks, and wheel bearings. When I was wrenching, plugs needed change every 2500-3000 miles. now with tougher materials, they can last up to 100k. however in the EcoBoost, the cylinder pressures will break these plugs down in as little as 12k. The 3.5 is a very high performance engine.The effective compression ratio can be as high as 21:1. to begin with, the plugs are gaped too wide off the line. as the plugs become worn, the gap further widens under high cylinder pressures and greater heat, it becomes more difficult for the electrons to jump the gap, therefore a shutter or miss. I've already been there and replaced my plugs at 17K. I re-gaped them to .030. I'm coming close to 30K now and still smooth as glass. I agree there is something wrong with the way this issue is being handled for such a simple low cost fix.

http://youtu.be/v4FZtiwbRGY

ecobust12

I purchased a 2012 ecoboost in jan. It now has 4,000 miles on it and the throttle stuck open and redlined while going down the highway. Ford towed the truck and said they found nothing wrong. My 3 week old son was in the truck but customer support said they will not refund or exchange the truck

engineermike

I'm saying my truck doesn't have the issue. I'm at 25,000 miles and encountered all sorts of atmospheric conditions in the last 2 years, including "foggy, raining, dry", short trips, long trips, etc. I am NOT saying the problem doesn't exist. . . just that I think Ford either doesn't understand or isn't addressing the root cause in their "design changes" (the TSB's and '13 changes).

This is a first. I've never heard anyone claim the shudder or loss of acceleration while decelerating. If this is true, it's more evidence that it's not condensation. On deceleration, there wouldn't be enough velocity to carry the water up to the intake.

I'm not so sure about this one. I have never heard of "loss of power" to be considered a safety issue. Loss of brakes, loss of steering, tires blowing out, unintended acceleration, yes, all safety issues. But this is a little different. There have been thousands upon thousands of engine failures over the decades. I wonder if anyone was ever successful in a lawsuit over any of these as a safety issue due to loss of power.

Bills96TA

Out of curiosity why do you go into almost every thread where people say it is a safety issue and try to discredit them. I am seriously interested as you already stated you never had the issue so therefore should have no firsthand knowledge to take such an aggressive stance.