All Ecoboost owners with the RX catch can(dual check valves) installed system
04-19-2014, 10:43 PM
#61
There are quite of few on the threads that have showed pictures of the results. Most of the owners don't visit the forums.
Last edited by papa tiger; 04-19-2014 at 11:29 PM.
04-19-2014, 10:52 PM
#62
Senior Member
I've asked in other posts to show me how many high mileage cars are on the road still due to a catch can compared to those without.
So far we've seen no proof it's removing all the moisture from the CAC.
04-19-2014, 11:24 PM
#63
The OEM has claimed and the Fed backs up that claim that the moisture in the air thing is fixed. Either put on a RX to fix the PCV or forget it. It is your call. Many put the can on to fix the PCV situation, they don't drive enough to heat the truck up good before they shut it back off, while the rich mixture caused enriching the motor oil and raising its levels in the pan and back flushing into the turbo on the driver side due to loss of PCV during boost. This will possibly fix the burning of the Cat problem in the long run and the combustion deposits. If you don't want to do it don't. No one cares.
One interesting fact though is there seems to be a shortage of PCV hose at parts stores.
Word of mouth will out the bad and swear by the good.
One interesting fact though is there seems to be a shortage of PCV hose at parts stores.
Word of mouth will out the bad and swear by the good.
Last edited by papa tiger; 04-19-2014 at 11:30 PM.
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CKNPRO (08-07-2014)
04-20-2014, 12:15 AM
#64
Just show me one example of the RX system EVER voiding a warranty. bigfx, can you please list your qualifications that qualify you to make these statements? What is it you do for a living?
I have been an ebgine builder and automotive engineer for over 40 years (not a "internet expert" like every computer guy or ins salesman that Thinks they are qualified.
I began with GM in 1974, and have been involved in R&D, product design and engineering for the past 40 plus years as well and actually still DO work for the big 3 with design, specifically with the PCV systems on new vehicles and power platforms. The most recent is the PCV orfice design on the GM DI 3.6L V6. EVERY 2014 and up 3.6 DI GM engine has one of MY designs in its PCV system that fixed and issue that plagued them since 2008 with far more engines in use and manufactured than the 3.5 EB has made to date, and that was a minor change yet still took 4YEARS from the time we developed the solution and presented it. $ YEARS for a less than $1 part, and it corrected an issue with oil filling the intake air bridge, throttle bodies, and intake manifolds.
So by all means, educate us n your certifications, qualifications, and personal experience from the engineering and design side of the auto industry.
MY profession IS what qualifies me, and longer working in the industry than most have been alive that are arguing the non-sense here.
So please, by all means share with us how what your posting is anything more than another so called "keyboard expert"'s opinion. Madhochandyman, could you as well since your weighing in with such strong and rude posts?
Then, please tell me why GM dealers have been installing these for years on problem vehicles and some on custom built editions costing over $100,000 each? And now Ford dealers are inquiring and testing these after customers have been coming back to them after 5-10-15 or more service visits for the same problems with no fix yet these people install this system and came back with a write-up on how it does address the flaw and correct the issues? We even now are seeing a good many that the dealer service center s are able to now see first hand the fuel/water/etc. that is caught so they now know WHERE to look for the cause instead of the band-aide tune flashes and CAC covers added in one TSB, then deleted in the next TSB?
Let's have some real intelligent discussion if you like, but to barge into this thread on the attack, being rude and arrogant w/out seeing and learning all of this first hand. If not, please leave this thread and take your hate and drama to one that the OP does not mind such un-productive and disruptive harassment.
And yes, Ford Motor Company is watching all of these threads closely, and are seeing the hundreds here that have implemented this solution with 100% success, where almost NO owners with the TSB's performed have had the issues cured.
I have been an ebgine builder and automotive engineer for over 40 years (not a "internet expert" like every computer guy or ins salesman that Thinks they are qualified.
I began with GM in 1974, and have been involved in R&D, product design and engineering for the past 40 plus years as well and actually still DO work for the big 3 with design, specifically with the PCV systems on new vehicles and power platforms. The most recent is the PCV orfice design on the GM DI 3.6L V6. EVERY 2014 and up 3.6 DI GM engine has one of MY designs in its PCV system that fixed and issue that plagued them since 2008 with far more engines in use and manufactured than the 3.5 EB has made to date, and that was a minor change yet still took 4YEARS from the time we developed the solution and presented it. $ YEARS for a less than $1 part, and it corrected an issue with oil filling the intake air bridge, throttle bodies, and intake manifolds.
So by all means, educate us n your certifications, qualifications, and personal experience from the engineering and design side of the auto industry.
MY profession IS what qualifies me, and longer working in the industry than most have been alive that are arguing the non-sense here.
So please, by all means share with us how what your posting is anything more than another so called "keyboard expert"'s opinion. Madhochandyman, could you as well since your weighing in with such strong and rude posts?
Then, please tell me why GM dealers have been installing these for years on problem vehicles and some on custom built editions costing over $100,000 each? And now Ford dealers are inquiring and testing these after customers have been coming back to them after 5-10-15 or more service visits for the same problems with no fix yet these people install this system and came back with a write-up on how it does address the flaw and correct the issues? We even now are seeing a good many that the dealer service center s are able to now see first hand the fuel/water/etc. that is caught so they now know WHERE to look for the cause instead of the band-aide tune flashes and CAC covers added in one TSB, then deleted in the next TSB?
Let's have some real intelligent discussion if you like, but to barge into this thread on the attack, being rude and arrogant w/out seeing and learning all of this first hand. If not, please leave this thread and take your hate and drama to one that the OP does not mind such un-productive and disruptive harassment.
And yes, Ford Motor Company is watching all of these threads closely, and are seeing the hundreds here that have implemented this solution with 100% success, where almost NO owners with the TSB's performed have had the issues cured.
04-20-2014, 12:24 AM
#65
I have never said that catch cans are not good, but I am arguing the reality that they will VOID YOUR WARRANTY AND TO INSTALL AT YOUR OWN RISK..that is all and some guy trying to push a product is saying something else, but guess what if something goes wrong is he going to guarantee your claim? If he does then good then you can warranty you claims through them, so even better tuner boost you going to warranty all claims through your company?
04-20-2014, 12:24 AM
#66
Ford doesn't put M on because they need maintenance continuously when weather is not the best conditions. You can't run a OEM service system that a way. Can you imagine the line of cars and trucks waiting each morning to have their Cans drained regular. No matter how loud you yell or cuss a M they are going to ignore you.
Ford agrees the moisture thing is fixed.
The fed agrees the moisture thing is fixed and Ford doesn't have to do a recall.
The Forum has closed the CAC is fixed thread.
Your beating a dead horse of You don't want to put on a can system.
Ford agrees the moisture thing is fixed.
The fed agrees the moisture thing is fixed and Ford doesn't have to do a recall.
The Forum has closed the CAC is fixed thread.
Your beating a dead horse of You don't want to put on a can system.
Last edited by papa tiger; 04-20-2014 at 12:31 AM.
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CKNPRO (08-07-2014)
04-20-2014, 12:30 AM
#67
I have never said that catch cans are not good, but I am arguing the reality that they will VOID YOUR WARRANTY AND TO INSTALL AT YOUR OWN RISK..that is all and some guy trying to push a product is saying something else, but guess what if something goes wrong is he going to guarantee your claim? If he does then good then you can warranty you claims through them, so even better tuner boost you going to warranty all claims through your company?
We get it, Now drop it.
04-20-2014, 12:31 AM
#68
I have never proclaimed to be an expert, but it doesn't take an expert to see your full of it and protecting people from dudes like you is easy. All you have to do is ask them to "GET FORD TO PUT IT IN WRITING!!! IF NOT THEN ITS NOT TRUE!!!!! And your defensive nature shows more about who you are then anything just own up, you lied and are basically spouting bs because you never asked ford if your catch can is okay, and if drilling a hole in your intake was okay. This is all very simple 1) did you ask ford 2) are you assuming something is okay 3) are you attacking with opinion and hyperbole and 4) why you mad bro!! I'm done with you and your product good luck guys drilling holes in your perfectly good vehicles and getting them (tax catch can) to pay if something goes wrong.
04-20-2014, 08:25 AM
#69
Senior Member
The OEM has claimed and the Fed backs up that claim that the moisture in the air thing is fixed. Either put on a RX to fix the PCV or forget it. It is your call. Many put the can on to fix the PCV situation, they don't drive enough to heat the truck up good before they shut it back off, while the rich mixture caused enriching the motor oil and raising its levels in the pan and back flushing into the turbo on the driver side due to loss of PCV during boost. This will possibly fix the burning of the Cat problem in the long run and the combustion deposits. If you don't want to do it don't. No one cares. One interesting fact though is there seems to be a shortage of PCV hose at parts stores. Word of mouth will out the bad and swear by the good.
Has anyone collected an excess amount of fuel/oil and gone to the dealer to have it checked.
04-20-2014, 08:49 AM
#70
The only thing I'd worry about with the issue you're describing here is that there may be an underlying problem, ie leaking injectors, that should be fixed yet it would be masked by what the can is collecting.
Has anyone collected an excess amount of fuel/oil and gone to the dealer to have it checked.
Has anyone collected an excess amount of fuel/oil and gone to the dealer to have it checked.
Most people don't want to be burdened with the responsibility to empty a can though. I had a hard time believing that at first since it takes about 30 seconds, but after seeing how many guys admitting to not checking there oil level ever, it makes sense.