Shaggy1970

I hear you but I would think for the 430 I have spent already on the two cans with the extensions that when an improvement was made, someone from the company would reach out and say we made this better and here is your diffuser that should have been included already.

Someone want two UPR catch cans with the extensions with about 1500 miles on them, I am buying the RX can, done with this BS. 350 or reasonable offer please, no diffuser sorry.

Eco Tuner

UPR is one of the only ones that has not taken the stance of arrogance and hostility (well at first maybe but he went to work quick to improve when he was made aware of it not being what is caught, but what is getting past) like 99% of the brands do. What most may not realize is most companies do NOT design and manufacture the cans they sell, brand. They rely on producers that market wholesale to them and on their claims alone. No matter how big and well known a name brand may be.....rarely do they do their own design and production. So even though UPR is a direct competitor of ours, I give props to the steps Joe has taken to improve his product...and he was not made aware of the effectiveness issue until in Feb this year. Most companies we have made aware of the rate of pull through in the past (and we have communicated with plenty offering tips on improving effectiveness) are down right hostile and only go on the defense and attack us for sharing how to test any can for effectiveness....and all EXCEPT UPR and Elite Engineering have ignored this and kept their offering as it is. Sales & revenue drive decisions made, and if sales are strong, most will not improve on a design. It is easier to ride the "brand name" wave rather than actual data. So I give him credit for that.

Aside from all this, the RX Systems have been in a continuous state of revision and improvement (as all 27 of our products) since we released the first version nearly 13 years ago, and this is an obsession to make sure there is no equal out there.

And for any unhappy with a former choice, at least you did the best you were aware of at the time and some prevented ingestion is far better than those that run nothing. You still did the best you were aware of at the time.

phantomblackgto

Ordered my Rx over a week ago. Anxiously awaiting it's arrival while I continue to work on my service manager to do the install in his shop so he will agree to maintain my Ford 5/60 warranty as it pertains to this aftermarket modification with agreed upon proper maintenance. My thanks to Tracy (Eco Tuner) who has been kind enough to put up with all my questions and provided me with a wealth of information in my persistence to get my local Ford dealer to stand behind this. I've at least got him thinking and discussing it with me now.

nix150

Is your service shop really giving you grief over this mod?

phantomblackgto

Initial reaction to drilling a hole in my turbo inlet wasn't favorable.

Joe@UPR

For current UPR customers with Diffusers and also to Update those thinking about purchasing a UPR package. We are coming out with a revised version and will be allowing exchanges on your current diffuser for the new diffuser as an even exchange. We only ask that you please cover the shipping costs.

With all the testing and back and forth we have been able to improve our catch can by leaps and bounds and stay within the scope of the diffusers patent. For any existing customers that have not upgraded and have the newest cans we will be offering a special deal as soon as the new diffuser is completed.

Don't forget to request your drain **** upgrade with your new style catch can as well. We are not ignoring anyone and want to be sure everyone is on the same page and if there is a problem just PM me.

Thank you,
Joe

Eco Tuner

Very fair Joe!!

Ford850

Final Test Results

- I'll summarize the test phases. The first phase was to test the UPR vs the RX catch cans on a 5.0, both base models, with the UPR first in line and RX installed to catch anything the UPR missed. Those first phase results were: UPR - 17cc, RX - 67cc. The 'first in line' UPR caught 20% of the total volume. See post 37 in this thread for more details on phase 1. The cans were cleaned and reinstalled in reverse order for phase 2, RX first and then UPR. The second phase results were: RX - 35.50cc, UPR - 1.75cc. The 'first in line' RX caught 95% of the total volume. See post 143 for more details on phase 2.

Phase 3 Test Results

- This time the UPR can was first in line as in phase 1, but it had the new can extension and diffuser added. It also had the mesh material removed from the exit side of the can.

- The Weather has been average northern Ohio early summer weather. Some rain with warm and hot days.

- Driving has been a good mix of rural roads, some small towns, highways, and approximately 60% of the miles on interstates at 65 - 80mph. Mostly average style driving, some steep hill climbs, and some very heavy accelerations mixed in. A little heavy hauling again, and no towing. I'll add some more thoughts on driving and MPGs below.

- What they caught was a mixed bag. UPR was first in line, with the RX after it to catch anything the extended UPR might miss.
The combined volume of gunk was down from the last phase, again. I assume it is due to the warmer weather and maybe my engine is using less oil with more miles? Either way, my test looks at the percent each can catches, compared to the total caught for that phase, so the volume isn't critical.
The contents from the extended UPR can was mostly oil, and had a used oil smell. The UPR caught 14.75cc which is approximately 3 tsp.
The RX can caught a fuel/water/oil mix. It smelled much more harsh again. The RX can caught 16.00cc which is approximately 3 1/4 tsp.

- Phase 3 Totals:
UPR - 14.75cc (48%)
RX - 16.00cc (52%)

- Other thoughts on the results. The contents of each phase showed me the RX does a better job of removing more than oil. It always contained more water/fuel type liquids, while the UPR contained mostly oil. I don't know if it is due to the can design, the 'out front' mounting style of the RX, or both.
For anyone buying or thinking of upgrading their UPR can, I strongly recommend figuring out how to mount it out front, and would definitely add the valve that Joe@UPR is offering. I really think the 'out front' cooling effect will help it catch even more, and the valve would be worth the price for ease of emptying it. Having the RX can to compare to when emptying, the front mount and valve are no brainers.
As I said at the end of phase 2, my MPGs have increased slightly. I have done nothing different to my truck over the past year, other than adding the RX can to the UPR for this test. My driving style is very similar from tank to tank, I fill up at the same stations, etc. But since having both cans in series, and essentially removing 95% or more of the PCV byproducts, my MPGs have increased. Up to that point my lifetime MPGs were 17.5. Nearly every tank for the past year gave me the same results, 17.5. I would have some trips that would net 20 MPG, but the other short trips would always pull it back down for the same tank average - close to 17.5. My recent tank averages have all been over 18 MPG, with a few over 19, and as high as 19.5. My last tank included hauling approximately 1000 lbs of payload, through some long hills/mountains of PA, and I got 18.8 MPG. It could be the summer fuel mix combined with an engine that is broken in, but the timing is peculiar. Whatever the reason, I like it!


Thank you Eco Tuner (Tuner Boost) and Joe@UPR for your support, feedback, and willingness to listen to open criticism and suggestions through this test. Looking back though this thread today, I realized how rare it is to get input and support from competing manufacturers, through a comparison test like this. We have all learned quite a bit, and have real data to help make decisions. Hats off to you both!

Eco Tuner

Awesome dedication to see this through...several months.

You are using less oil and catching less as the piston rings move more freely and can seal better to the cylinder wall after a few thousand miles of stopping virtually all the oil from ingestion (nearly all detectable) and the residue that builds up in the ringlands has now worked its way out from the ring movement since it is not constantly being added to.

The fuel economy is a no brainer on any engine. When you eliminate the contaminates, especially the oil from entering the combustion chamber, you leave only air/fuel and that results in the cleanest, most complete burn and since oil reduces the usable octane, you are now running at optimum timing advance so the engine is running at peak efficiency. Most Fleet owners install the RX system for the fuel savings alone, and on average (any engine, and brand vehicle) see 1-3 MPG improvement with some as low as .5, and some as high as 4-5. We discount the low and high as anomalies as all can expect to realize 1-3 with 2 plus an average.

You also are catching less now as your experiencing less blow-by so less compounds to remove, and your oil will be cleaner longer (but that will get an entire new hate debate going so forget it).

Thanks again for all the effort put into this, and for Joe working so hard to improve the can....which he accomplished by making it over twice as effective as before.

phantomblackgto

Thanks to Ford850 for a great test that has provided some really good information.