5.0 UPR vs RX Catch Can Effectiveness Test
06-02-2014, 06:16 PM
#151
06-04-2014, 12:15 PM
#152
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Phase 3 is underway, as I said earlier. I removed the original UPR can and replaced it with the new one. This new can has the diffuser and extension added, and I removed the mesh material on the exit side of the can per the request of Joe@UPR. I cleaned the hoses and RX can thoroughly again, but the hoses were fairly clean and dry this time. The new flow is the same as I had in phase 1. The hose comes from the engine to the inlet side of the UPR can, out the exit side of the UPR can, to the inlet of the RX, out the RX exit, and to the intake of the engine.
06-04-2014, 04:42 PM
#153
As soon as you proclaimed that the catch can was a cure all product and will eliminate the condensation in the intercooler issue. Well...Never mind the fact the PVC system and the CAC system are totally separate. Well...never mind there is no PVC problem as portrayed. Your theory is kinda hard to take seriously.
In Business you always under promise and over deliver.
In Business you always under promise and over deliver.
We have pretty much proven that here in every aspect of this:
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Originally Posted by nix150 View Post
nice work Ford850! I was hoping for 100% from RX but I guess you can't get completely away from some ingestion? Would this be due to the filtered vapor not being scrubbed enough? I look forward to Tuners reply on this.
I had things cleaned pretty well before starting, so I think there will be some that gets through no matter what. TB predicted the RX would catch 90% of the total, and it ended up getting 95%.
And we only claimed the RX in this test would catch "as much or more" than the can tested....yet we new it would catch 4 times as much......
Does that fall into that quote?
06-06-2014, 12:42 PM
#154
Whoever deleted the posts in this thread where the 5.0 catch can naysayers get completely owned by science and facts, shame on you.
Just because an argument happens and the trolls have to get put in their place doesn't mean it all has to be censored..
Just because an argument happens and the trolls have to get put in their place doesn't mean it all has to be censored..
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06-06-2014, 12:45 PM
#155
Doesn't change my opinion that tuner is completely wrong on the ecoboost issue, but this thread is not the place for that and I apologize for any contribution I have made to derail the thread in the past.
06-06-2014, 04:50 PM
#156
I found this thread while doing some searching on oil catch cans. While I don't have a F150, I do have a 2014 Mustang GT with the 5.0. I read this entire thread as well as the other one on here that is titled "5.0 oil catch can" There is a lot of interesting information on both of these threads. I have been running an oil catch can on my Mustang and my fiancée's 2007 Mustang GT with the 4.6L since last August.
I bought my Mustang in mid August of last year and installed a UPR catch can about a week later. About two weeks after that we bought a UPR can for the 07GT.
In October of last year just for the heck of it I pulled the hose off of the intake port and noticed oil on it and in the end of the hose. I was not happy as I thought the purpose of the can was to catch oil. During the time I installed it and Oct., I caught quite a bit of oil in the can and was pretty impressed.
I did some more research on different brands of catch cans and bought a Bob's Auto Sports can that was highly talked about to replace the UPR on my 14GT. My fiancée hardly ever drives her car so it still had not been driven during that time period so we left it alone.
In early Feb. of this year, I finally checked my fiancée's can and it also was letting oil get to the intake port. This is when I contacted UPR about this issue with both of our cars. They had me take apart my can and take pictures of it all apart. This is when I noticed what I felt were some design flaws and I shared these with UPR. On the round diffuser, I had oil sitting on top of the diffuser on both the inlet and outlet sides. Since the wall separating both sides has a little section cut out at the bottom of the wall, I felt like it was letting oil migrate from the intake side of the diffuser to the outlet side and this oil was getting sucked through the mess and on to the intake.
UPR told me they would look into it and get back with me which they never did. Fast forward to this week and I discover that they have come out with a new diffuser design and in their online description of this product, they have similar wording about what this diffuser prevents to what I told them I thought was part of the problem.
I called UPR back and they agreed to send me a new design diffuser to try out on one of the cars to see if it helps the problem. I also discovered that they have an extension for the can but because of the space limitations under the hood of the Mustangs, I don't know if the extension can be installed.
I have not received my diffuser yet but I will be curious to see if it works. I'm not totally sure if my Bob's catch can is letting oil through or not. I checked it awhile back and it showed a slight film of oil at the intake but I did not clean the quick connect after I made the switch so it might have been from before. I cleaned it and will see if any oil film appears again. I also have a new air compressor filter I will install after the Bob's can to see what it catches. Here are a few pictures of my setups and the inside of the UPR can.
I bought my Mustang in mid August of last year and installed a UPR catch can about a week later. About two weeks after that we bought a UPR can for the 07GT.
In October of last year just for the heck of it I pulled the hose off of the intake port and noticed oil on it and in the end of the hose. I was not happy as I thought the purpose of the can was to catch oil. During the time I installed it and Oct., I caught quite a bit of oil in the can and was pretty impressed.
I did some more research on different brands of catch cans and bought a Bob's Auto Sports can that was highly talked about to replace the UPR on my 14GT. My fiancée hardly ever drives her car so it still had not been driven during that time period so we left it alone.
In early Feb. of this year, I finally checked my fiancée's can and it also was letting oil get to the intake port. This is when I contacted UPR about this issue with both of our cars. They had me take apart my can and take pictures of it all apart. This is when I noticed what I felt were some design flaws and I shared these with UPR. On the round diffuser, I had oil sitting on top of the diffuser on both the inlet and outlet sides. Since the wall separating both sides has a little section cut out at the bottom of the wall, I felt like it was letting oil migrate from the intake side of the diffuser to the outlet side and this oil was getting sucked through the mess and on to the intake.
UPR told me they would look into it and get back with me which they never did. Fast forward to this week and I discover that they have come out with a new diffuser design and in their online description of this product, they have similar wording about what this diffuser prevents to what I told them I thought was part of the problem.
I called UPR back and they agreed to send me a new design diffuser to try out on one of the cars to see if it helps the problem. I also discovered that they have an extension for the can but because of the space limitations under the hood of the Mustangs, I don't know if the extension can be installed.
I have not received my diffuser yet but I will be curious to see if it works. I'm not totally sure if my Bob's catch can is letting oil through or not. I checked it awhile back and it showed a slight film of oil at the intake but I did not clean the quick connect after I made the switch so it might have been from before. I cleaned it and will see if any oil film appears again. I also have a new air compressor filter I will install after the Bob's can to see what it catches. Here are a few pictures of my setups and the inside of the UPR can.
06-06-2014, 05:00 PM
#157
Here is some pictures of the cans installed on the cars.
UPR on 2014 GT
UPR on 2007GT
Bob's Auto Sports on 2014 GT
For those of you not familiar with the Bob's can, the intake side comes in at the bottom of the can and the output side is on top. The bottom is filled with SS mesh with a round perforated diffuser on top of that. There is no mesh at the top where the output side is. This is totally opposite of how most other cans are designed. It also catches quite a bit of oil. I forgot to take pictures of the inside before I installed it.
Wayne
UPR on 2014 GT
UPR on 2007GT
Bob's Auto Sports on 2014 GT
For those of you not familiar with the Bob's can, the intake side comes in at the bottom of the can and the output side is on top. The bottom is filled with SS mesh with a round perforated diffuser on top of that. There is no mesh at the top where the output side is. This is totally opposite of how most other cans are designed. It also catches quite a bit of oil. I forgot to take pictures of the inside before I installed it.
Wayne
06-08-2014, 10:46 AM
#159
70monte. Good observations. You will find the same with the bob's as far as effectiveness or with any of the smaller "billet" cans with similar designs (there are 20-30 made by the same 2 machine shops here in FL all the same basic design). The Bernoulli effect has to be taken into consideration and anytime you have a small can (close to 1 qt is where the speed of the flow through can slow to the point of not pulling oil through with the flow of vapors) you have a great deal of pull through that anyone can test for. Then as you saw you never want filter media anywhere near the outlet as that oil caught there is always pulled right through. Good contribution. 
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06-08-2014, 08:34 PM
#160
70monte. Good observations. You will find the same with the bob's as far as effectiveness or with any of the smaller "billet" cans with similar designs (there are 20-30 made by the same 2 machine shops here in FL all the same basic design). The Bernoulli effect has to be taken into consideration and anytime you have a small can (close to 1 qt is where the speed of the flow through can slow to the point of not pulling oil through with the flow of vapors) you have a great deal of pull through that anyone can test for. Then as you saw you never want filter media anywhere near the outlet as that oil caught there is always pulled right through. Good contribution.
Thanks. I found your observations and input very interesting. I'm not sure if I'm going to continue to run the Bob's can on my car. I don't know if the RX can would work on my car as there is a limit to where these cans can be mounted. I have followed Ford 850's test and it seems that even the RX can is letting some oil through so I'm still unsure of what to do.
I'm probably going to be using the new diffuser that UPR is sending me on my fiancée's car since I still have the UPR can installed on it and see how that works. I won't be putting the mesh in the output side of the can on your recommendation.
Anyway, thanks for your contribution to this subject.
Wayne