3.5L Ecoboost New Misfire Fix TSB Jan 2014
#151
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What viscous attacks?!!!
We're asking for actual proof not "I've sold 500 so it's all the proof you need" BS.
You also keep posting 1 text message that means absolutely squat because you could have easily written it yourself.
That and the fact you keep saying every Eco has this PCV flaw yet many 10s of thousands of Ecos have no issue.
Yes, catch cans collect stuff, no one disagrees with that statement. Where we draw the line is you stating, as a fact, that your can stops humid air from condensing in the CAC.
There are hundreds of thousands of F150 Ecoboost trucks on the road.
I believe we passed the half million mark some time ago?
500/500,000=.1% sample size.
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MadocHandyman (07-22-2014)
#152
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/au...-v6s.html?_r=0
Lest we not forget that the 3.5 Ecoboost has been in the SHO, MKS, MKT, and Flex since 2010. Lower volumes but it's been out there.
Plenty of them out there and few with the issues. And the fix from Ford seems to be working. Lots less incidences this year in the summer when it happens most. And they better since if it wasn't fixed the Gov't would be all over them worse than they were with GM for the ignition switch recall.
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#153
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Yeah in May we were at "over 500,000" in the F150. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/au...-v6s.html?_r=0 Lest we not forget that the 3.5 Ecoboost has been in the SHO, MKS, MKT, and Flex since 2010. Lower volumes but it's been out there. Plenty of them out there and few with the issues. And the fix from Ford seems to be working. Lots less incidences this year in the summer when it happens most. And they better since if it wasn't fixed the Gov't would be all over them worse than they were with GM for the ignition switch recall.
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#156
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They are too busy putting plastic covers on and then taking them off of the CAC's and installing heaters in Florida trucks to reduce the amount of fuel that's mixing with the oil. For starters, I'd say venting the clean side to the turbo inlet with no check valve was a brilliant design. Have some of you pulled yours off to see what's going into the turbo? I don't think that brown liquid crap in some of the CAC's is just humidity condensation. This engine just might win an award for the most number of TSB's. But, damn I know I love mine.
#157
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They are too busy putting plastic covers on and then taking them off of the CAC's and installing heaters in Florida trucks to reduce the amount of fuel that's mixing with the oil. For starters, I'd say venting the clean side to the turbo inlet with no check valve was a brilliant design. Have some of you pulled yours off to see what's going into the turbo? I don't think that brown liquid crap in some of the CAC's is just humidity condensation. This engine just might win an award for the most number of TSB's. But, damn I know I love mine.
I'm not sure about the fuel dilution issues. Seems we had a rash of bad HPFP's this winter. I wonder if it's a coincidence with the near record cold winter we had in the US this year? I don't know. But I do know that Used Oil Analyses of properly running Ecoboosts bone stock seem to indicate fuel dilution is within normal levels for a GDI engine. Smell is never a good thing.
It seems with this latest fix Ford got it dialed in as reported incidences are very low. The condensation is what they officially reported to NHTSA, have been able to consistently been able to duplicate and have been able to fix for the most part. Given the raking GM and Toyota have taken for recent recalls, I don't think Ford would purposely lie to HNTSA.
A lot of the other shudder causes can be traced back to coils/plugs as these engines are very picky on them. Start with the basics and you will find your problem.
I personally don't care about that stuff. The engine (as is all engines with closed PCV systems) is designed to deal with it. And it does. Those that do oil analyses of properly running engines find nothing out of the ordinary. There are plenty here and on BITOG that show that. If there truly were a PCV issue, we'd see sludge, blown seals, high wear metals, etc. None of that is present when the engine runs properly.
Some on this site and others are well over 100k on stock Ecoboosts with no issues. It's been around for 5 years now (or next month). Outside condensation and some bum timing chains it's been an outstanding engine.
In the end everyone needs to do what makes them sleep at night. If that's a can, fine. If it's not, that's fine too. Either way will most likely give you years of service from the Ecoboost. The high pressure sales tactics, scare, half truths, etc. help nobody and are a constant story played out in many, many message boards over the past years. It is a shame they are allowed to continue here.
#158
Once a mass produced platform is into production making even minor changes, this is not an easy change to make.
They are very aware of it though as they follow these threads closely and are working with the master techs at some service centers including one installing the RX systems.
And to make this clear, anyone that is comfortable having this gunk ingested is in no way pressured to do anything. If they are happy as is they should be able to make that decision themselves. This is ONLY for those with issues or wanting to avoid the issues. In fact 99.9% will never make any changes as very few vehicle owners today even open their hood to check their oil or other fluid levels. This is only for those that want to correct this and eliminate the gunk.
#159
For me ot is about seeing the dew clouds hovering within the driving space an extreme humidity/dew point driving in my travel local as it ranges around 500 mile round trips often for the 4 vehicles. Since i came to the conclusion the PCV clean air side would contaminate the CAC I tested it an found it, I made my own 18" long X 3" collector an have not had 1 drop of contaminant in the CAC's. Before they could be messy at times. I only concerned myself with the clean side evac and left the PCV dirty side as OEM. Simply to catch block contaminents an not Turbo N them thru the CAC's. It works for diesels an it works for EB's also. I am sure size N distance from the motors heat is why. I'm aware of the best system. But mine works n I'm OK with it. I will simply make another can for the PCV dirty side with the common supplies I carry in stock for the business. Possibly with the New 15. 2.7L's. I kept the stock parts n about 5 min. To go back to it at new fleet time next spring.
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#160
For me ot is about seeing the dew clouds hovering within the driving space an extreme humidity/dew point driving in my travel local as it ranges around 500 mile round trips often for the 4 vehicles. Since i came to the conclusion the PCV clean air side would contaminate the CAC I tested it an found it, I made my own 18" long X 3" collector an have not had 1 drop of contaminant in the CAC's. Before they could be messy at times. I only concerned myself with the clean side evac and left the PCV dirty side as OEM. Simply to catch block contaminents an not Turbo N them thru the CAC's. It works for diesels an it works for EB's also. I am sure size N distance from the motors heat is why. I'm aware of the best system. But mine works n I'm OK with it. I will simply make another can for the PCV dirty side with the common supplies I carry in stock for the business. Possibly with the New 15. 2.7L's. I kept the stock parts n about 5 min. To go back to it at new fleet time next spring.
When $half million dollar plus super cars use these from the factory, one would do well to pay attention. Those engineers are given the leeway to implement what is the best possible for the money as they do not have the tight budgetary restraints mass produced vehicle engineers do.
550 units in use the past 6 months is not a large section of the market, very tiny in fact, but to see Ford master techs testing and endorsing this as a fix for the issues all service centers deal with non-stop holds more credibility than just a sales pitch. It will be years before thousands and thousands have implemented the PCV system fix, but even at the current level of over 550 problem prone F150 EB's that have tried every TSB to no avail, and then either installed the fix themselves, or had a Ford dealer do it direct, so far all, including the Ford master techs have been pleasantly surprised it corrected the shudder, misfire, no more gunk in the CAC, and maybe most important the oil levels are not increasing from the contaminates. (which is where all this originates from).