2013 EcoBoost F-150 vs. 2013 5.0 F-150 - Real world driving impression
07-13-2013, 10:28 AM
#21
The EB has by far the least amount of lag I have ever experienced, and it is only really noticeable from higher cruising speeds anyways.
07-13-2013, 10:33 AM
#22
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If you say the 5.0 doesn't have turbo lag, makes similar hp to the eb, gets close to the same gas mileage as the eb, gets slightly better towing mileage than the eb, and sounds good, you won't get any argument from me.
But if you say the 5.0 is more proven, gets better all around mileage because your cousin-in-law said so, turbo v6's from the 80's were unreliable, turbochargers and direct injection are unproven new technology, or any other BS, then I'm going to call it.
But if you say the 5.0 is more proven, gets better all around mileage because your cousin-in-law said so, turbo v6's from the 80's were unreliable, turbochargers and direct injection are unproven new technology, or any other BS, then I'm going to call it.
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07-13-2013, 10:35 AM
#23
If you say the 5.0 doesn't have turbo lag, makes similar hp to the eb, gets close to the same gas mileage as the eb, gets slightly better towing mileage than the eb, and sounds good, you won't get any argument from me.
But if you say the 5.0 is more proven, gets better all around mileage because your cousin-in-law said so, turbo v6's from the 80's were unreliable, turbochargers and direct injection are unproven new technology, or any other BS, then I'm going to call it.
But if you say the 5.0 is more proven, gets better all around mileage because your cousin-in-law said so, turbo v6's from the 80's were unreliable, turbochargers and direct injection are unproven new technology, or any other BS, then I'm going to call it.
07-13-2013, 10:45 AM
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Had a 2011 EB and now have a 5.0. Both trucks are/were optioned the same, EB had 3.73 gears and 5.0 has 3.55. Drove EB for 34k miles and have about 2k miles on 5.0, so I'd say I know both trucks.
MY experience:
EB: due to more torque down low it is quicker off the line, tows better in town. I got avg of 15.2 mpg over 34k miles. I was not a fan of the turbo lag (or the quietness of the truck). The lag was always noticable when you don't want lag, like you need to get out of the way of someone! You will not notice lag on test drive or about 65% of driving EB, but it is there! Also, the EB was fairly quick, but doesn't "sound" good. It was also the first Ford vehicle I had issues with. Although I couldn't feel it, a buddy who is a lead tech for 25 plus years told me every time he rode with me that it was missing. So every oil change (3000 miles) I mentioned it. Sure enough, Ford confirmed this and replaced plugs EVERY oil change. (Again I never could feel it) in Jan 2013, it started the shuddering, missing (I could now feel it) and took it in. Ford did TSB where they reprogram ECU and put new CAC on it. That repair made it worse! It would sound like it was running on 3 / 4 cylinders at morning only start ups and I could FEEL it missing driving. Plus the new computer program took what felt like about 1/4 of the power away. It felt like I was now driving a 6 cyl. I know these issues won't happen to everyone, but it did happen to me. I did like EB mostly until Ford did the TSB, but they were stumped as how to fix MY truck, so I traded for same truck but with 5.0.
Now the 5.0:
Down low, off the line the 5.0 feels more sluggish. But rev it to 3000 and it wakes right up. The sound of the motor is simply sweet. I am getting 15.2 mpg, and I "think" I may be driving it a bit harder just to hear the motor. City stop and go driving the 5.0 will drink more fuel than EB, highway it gets much much better mpg than EB. The throttle response is much better because A) it is a V8. B) no turbo lag. The 5.0 tows incredible on the highway and is fine in town, but EB is better towing in town cause of all that torque available so early in RPM. For ME - the day to day drive ability of 5.0 is better. The 5.0 is great in first gear, but in second, it feels like it is kinda bogged down until it hits third, then it picks back up. The EB doesn't feel bogged until 4th gear +. I bought a MPT tuning and am running thier 87 tune; this improves the down low performance drastically as well as overall drive ability of the 5.0. I hear a tuner on EB is pretty good too, but never tried one.
Bottom line - for ME, I prefer the 5.0. I think it is all around better driving than EB, and I sincerely believe some the the EB still have to have some bugs worked out.
Please don't turn this thread into a 5.0 or EB bash fest. The above are my personal experiences with both engines. It is what it is!
MY experience:
EB: due to more torque down low it is quicker off the line, tows better in town. I got avg of 15.2 mpg over 34k miles. I was not a fan of the turbo lag (or the quietness of the truck). The lag was always noticable when you don't want lag, like you need to get out of the way of someone! You will not notice lag on test drive or about 65% of driving EB, but it is there! Also, the EB was fairly quick, but doesn't "sound" good. It was also the first Ford vehicle I had issues with. Although I couldn't feel it, a buddy who is a lead tech for 25 plus years told me every time he rode with me that it was missing. So every oil change (3000 miles) I mentioned it. Sure enough, Ford confirmed this and replaced plugs EVERY oil change. (Again I never could feel it) in Jan 2013, it started the shuddering, missing (I could now feel it) and took it in. Ford did TSB where they reprogram ECU and put new CAC on it. That repair made it worse! It would sound like it was running on 3 / 4 cylinders at morning only start ups and I could FEEL it missing driving. Plus the new computer program took what felt like about 1/4 of the power away. It felt like I was now driving a 6 cyl. I know these issues won't happen to everyone, but it did happen to me. I did like EB mostly until Ford did the TSB, but they were stumped as how to fix MY truck, so I traded for same truck but with 5.0.
Now the 5.0:
Down low, off the line the 5.0 feels more sluggish. But rev it to 3000 and it wakes right up. The sound of the motor is simply sweet. I am getting 15.2 mpg, and I "think" I may be driving it a bit harder just to hear the motor. City stop and go driving the 5.0 will drink more fuel than EB, highway it gets much much better mpg than EB. The throttle response is much better because A) it is a V8. B) no turbo lag. The 5.0 tows incredible on the highway and is fine in town, but EB is better towing in town cause of all that torque available so early in RPM. For ME - the day to day drive ability of 5.0 is better. The 5.0 is great in first gear, but in second, it feels like it is kinda bogged down until it hits third, then it picks back up. The EB doesn't feel bogged until 4th gear +. I bought a MPT tuning and am running thier 87 tune; this improves the down low performance drastically as well as overall drive ability of the 5.0. I hear a tuner on EB is pretty good too, but never tried one.
Bottom line - for ME, I prefer the 5.0. I think it is all around better driving than EB, and I sincerely believe some the the EB still have to have some bugs worked out.
Please don't turn this thread into a 5.0 or EB bash fest. The above are my personal experiences with both engines. It is what it is!
07-13-2013, 11:40 AM
#25
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Had a 2011 EB and now have a 5.0. Both trucks are/were optioned the same, EB had 3.73 gears and 5.0 has 3.55. Drove EB for 34k miles and have about 2k miles on 5.0, so I'd say I know both trucks.
MY experience:
EB: due to more torque down low it is quicker off the line, tows better in town. I got avg of 15.2 mpg over 34k miles. I was not a fan of the turbo lag (or the quietness of the truck). The lag was always noticable when you don't want lag, like you need to get out of the way of someone! You will not notice lag on test drive or about 65% of driving EB, but it is there! Also, the EB was fairly quick, but doesn't "sound" good. It was also the first Ford vehicle I had issues with. Although I couldn't feel it, a buddy who is a lead tech for 25 plus years told me every time he rode with me that it was missing. So every oil change (3000 miles) I mentioned it. Sure enough, Ford confirmed this and replaced plugs EVERY oil change. (Again I never could feel it) in Jan 2013, it started the shuddering, missing (I could now feel it) and took it in. Ford did TSB where they reprogram ECU and put new CAC on it. That repair made it worse! It would sound like it was running on 3 / 4 cylinders at morning only start ups and I could FEEL it missing driving. Plus the new computer program took what felt like about 1/4 of the power away. It felt like I was now driving a 6 cyl. I know these issues won't happen to everyone, but it did happen to me. I did like EB mostly until Ford did the TSB, but they were stumped as how to fix MY truck, so I traded for same truck but with 5.0.
Now the 5.0:
Down low, off the line the 5.0 feels more sluggish. But rev it to 3000 and it wakes right up. The sound of the motor is simply sweet. I am getting 15.2 mpg, and I "think" I may be driving it a bit harder just to hear the motor. City stop and go driving the 5.0 will drink more fuel than EB, highway it gets much much better mpg than EB. The throttle response is much better because A) it is a V8. B) no turbo lag. The 5.0 tows incredible on the highway and is fine in town, but EB is better towing in town cause of all that torque available so early in RPM. For ME - the day to day drive ability of 5.0 is better. The 5.0 is great in first gear, but in second, it feels like it is kinda bogged down until it hits third, then it picks back up. The EB doesn't feel bogged until 4th gear +. I bought a MPT tuning and am running thier 87 tune; this improves the down low performance drastically as well as overall drive ability of the 5.0. I hear a tuner on EB is pretty good too, but never tried one.
Bottom line - for ME, I prefer the 5.0. I think it is all around better driving than EB, and I sincerely believe some the the EB still have to have some bugs worked out.
Please don't turn this thread into a 5.0 or EB bash fest. The above are my personal experiences with both engines. It is what it is!
MY experience:
EB: due to more torque down low it is quicker off the line, tows better in town. I got avg of 15.2 mpg over 34k miles. I was not a fan of the turbo lag (or the quietness of the truck). The lag was always noticable when you don't want lag, like you need to get out of the way of someone! You will not notice lag on test drive or about 65% of driving EB, but it is there! Also, the EB was fairly quick, but doesn't "sound" good. It was also the first Ford vehicle I had issues with. Although I couldn't feel it, a buddy who is a lead tech for 25 plus years told me every time he rode with me that it was missing. So every oil change (3000 miles) I mentioned it. Sure enough, Ford confirmed this and replaced plugs EVERY oil change. (Again I never could feel it) in Jan 2013, it started the shuddering, missing (I could now feel it) and took it in. Ford did TSB where they reprogram ECU and put new CAC on it. That repair made it worse! It would sound like it was running on 3 / 4 cylinders at morning only start ups and I could FEEL it missing driving. Plus the new computer program took what felt like about 1/4 of the power away. It felt like I was now driving a 6 cyl. I know these issues won't happen to everyone, but it did happen to me. I did like EB mostly until Ford did the TSB, but they were stumped as how to fix MY truck, so I traded for same truck but with 5.0.
Now the 5.0:
Down low, off the line the 5.0 feels more sluggish. But rev it to 3000 and it wakes right up. The sound of the motor is simply sweet. I am getting 15.2 mpg, and I "think" I may be driving it a bit harder just to hear the motor. City stop and go driving the 5.0 will drink more fuel than EB, highway it gets much much better mpg than EB. The throttle response is much better because A) it is a V8. B) no turbo lag. The 5.0 tows incredible on the highway and is fine in town, but EB is better towing in town cause of all that torque available so early in RPM. For ME - the day to day drive ability of 5.0 is better. The 5.0 is great in first gear, but in second, it feels like it is kinda bogged down until it hits third, then it picks back up. The EB doesn't feel bogged until 4th gear +. I bought a MPT tuning and am running thier 87 tune; this improves the down low performance drastically as well as overall drive ability of the 5.0. I hear a tuner on EB is pretty good too, but never tried one.
Bottom line - for ME, I prefer the 5.0. I think it is all around better driving than EB, and I sincerely believe some the the EB still have to have some bugs worked out.
Please don't turn this thread into a 5.0 or EB bash fest. The above are my personal experiences with both engines. It is what it is!
Last edited by Al Kohalic; 07-13-2013 at 02:20 PM.
07-13-2013, 02:33 PM
#26
Just thought I would throw my two cents in as well. I own a 2012 screw 5.0 3.55 2wd and 2012 screw eco 3.55 2wd. 5.0 was tuned from the get go and it was decent in power, towing, and mileage. Amazing sound with turndown exhaust. Eco was also tuned from the get go and great towing with decent mileage and great power. Mileage for both towing and driving no matter what the scenario for me was =. I was scared to try the eco cause all the extras to make power, but went for it anyway and couldn't be happier. Although i haven't had any problems either.
07-13-2013, 08:52 PM
#27
Senior Member
I think any Eco owner on here would be more than happy to give you a ride!
07-13-2013, 10:43 PM
#29
Had my truck in the air today and for no reason other than looking for lags had all the shields off. Changed the oil lubed my brakes rotated tires and spent a lot of time looking for the lags never found them. It was time I could have spent with my Grandson now he has lags that never stop moving
. Quirky trans shifts and drive by wire yes I found those on my Eco and the 5.0 and my Fusion heck even my 90 Taurus was hunting for the right gear at times. Shove most any Ford to the boards will result in a car or truck 1 gear to low and a feeling of lag until it shifts up one. Best results are easing into it and feeling the torque.
. Quirky trans shifts and drive by wire yes I found those on my Eco and the 5.0 and my Fusion heck even my 90 Taurus was hunting for the right gear at times. Shove most any Ford to the boards will result in a car or truck 1 gear to low and a feeling of lag until it shifts up one. Best results are easing into it and feeling the torque.
07-13-2013, 11:44 PM
#30
Senior Member
Had a 2011 EB and now have a 5.0. Both trucks are/were optioned the same, EB had 3.73 gears and 5.0 has 3.55. Drove EB for 34k miles and have about 2k miles on 5.0, so I'd say I know both trucks.
MY experience:
EB: due to more torque down low it is quicker off the line, tows better in town. I got avg of 15.2 mpg over 34k miles. I was not a fan of the turbo lag (or the quietness of the truck). The lag was always noticable when you don't want lag, like you need to get out of the way of someone! You will not notice lag on test drive or about 65% of driving EB, but it is there! Also, the EB was fairly quick, but doesn't "sound" good. It was also the first Ford vehicle I had issues with. Although I couldn't feel it, a buddy who is a lead tech for 25 plus years told me every time he rode with me that it was missing. So every oil change (3000 miles) I mentioned it. Sure enough, Ford confirmed this and replaced plugs EVERY oil change. (Again I never could feel it) in Jan 2013, it started the shuddering, missing (I could now feel it) and took it in. Ford did TSB where they reprogram ECU and put new CAC on it. That repair made it worse! It would sound like it was running on 3 / 4 cylinders at morning only start ups and I could FEEL it missing driving. Plus the new computer program took what felt like about 1/4 of the power away. It felt like I was now driving a 6 cyl. I know these issues won't happen to everyone, but it did happen to me. I did like EB mostly until Ford did the TSB, but they were stumped as how to fix MY truck, so I traded for same truck but with 5.0.
Now the 5.0:
Down low, off the line the 5.0 feels more sluggish. But rev it to 3000 and it wakes right up. The sound of the motor is simply sweet. I am getting 15.2 mpg, and I "think" I may be driving it a bit harder just to hear the motor. City stop and go driving the 5.0 will drink more fuel than EB, highway it gets much much better mpg than EB. The throttle response is much better because A) it is a V8. B) no turbo lag. The 5.0 tows incredible on the highway and is fine in town, but EB is better towing in town cause of all that torque available so early in RPM. For ME - the day to day drive ability of 5.0 is better. The 5.0 is great in first gear, but in second, it feels like it is kinda bogged down until it hits third, then it picks back up. The EB doesn't feel bogged until 4th gear +. I bought a MPT tuning and am running thier 87 tune; this improves the down low performance drastically as well as overall drive ability of the 5.0. I hear a tuner on EB is pretty good too, but never tried one.
Bottom line - for ME, I prefer the 5.0. I think it is all around better driving than EB, and I sincerely believe some the the EB still have to have some bugs worked out.
Please don't turn this thread into a 5.0 or EB bash fest. The above are my personal experiences with both engines. It is what it is!
MY experience:
EB: due to more torque down low it is quicker off the line, tows better in town. I got avg of 15.2 mpg over 34k miles. I was not a fan of the turbo lag (or the quietness of the truck). The lag was always noticable when you don't want lag, like you need to get out of the way of someone! You will not notice lag on test drive or about 65% of driving EB, but it is there! Also, the EB was fairly quick, but doesn't "sound" good. It was also the first Ford vehicle I had issues with. Although I couldn't feel it, a buddy who is a lead tech for 25 plus years told me every time he rode with me that it was missing. So every oil change (3000 miles) I mentioned it. Sure enough, Ford confirmed this and replaced plugs EVERY oil change. (Again I never could feel it) in Jan 2013, it started the shuddering, missing (I could now feel it) and took it in. Ford did TSB where they reprogram ECU and put new CAC on it. That repair made it worse! It would sound like it was running on 3 / 4 cylinders at morning only start ups and I could FEEL it missing driving. Plus the new computer program took what felt like about 1/4 of the power away. It felt like I was now driving a 6 cyl. I know these issues won't happen to everyone, but it did happen to me. I did like EB mostly until Ford did the TSB, but they were stumped as how to fix MY truck, so I traded for same truck but with 5.0.
Now the 5.0:
Down low, off the line the 5.0 feels more sluggish. But rev it to 3000 and it wakes right up. The sound of the motor is simply sweet. I am getting 15.2 mpg, and I "think" I may be driving it a bit harder just to hear the motor. City stop and go driving the 5.0 will drink more fuel than EB, highway it gets much much better mpg than EB. The throttle response is much better because A) it is a V8. B) no turbo lag. The 5.0 tows incredible on the highway and is fine in town, but EB is better towing in town cause of all that torque available so early in RPM. For ME - the day to day drive ability of 5.0 is better. The 5.0 is great in first gear, but in second, it feels like it is kinda bogged down until it hits third, then it picks back up. The EB doesn't feel bogged until 4th gear +. I bought a MPT tuning and am running thier 87 tune; this improves the down low performance drastically as well as overall drive ability of the 5.0. I hear a tuner on EB is pretty good too, but never tried one.
Bottom line - for ME, I prefer the 5.0. I think it is all around better driving than EB, and I sincerely believe some the the EB still have to have some bugs worked out.
Please don't turn this thread into a 5.0 or EB bash fest. The above are my personal experiences with both engines. It is what it is!
Not being baggin' on Bilr as it was a great write up, I see this being posted often though. The ecoboost and it's "lag" still has more torque than the 5.0. I honestly think they are comparable in how they drive, I chose an ecoboost for it's better characteristics pulling a load and I liked the quiet engine. I think they are great engines and you can't go wrong with either, but give credit where credit is due.