2011 ecoboost noise on start up
06-09-2015, 08:57 AM
#1251
Thanks for the update. Can you please still keep posting the good or the bad news as I am thinking of trying this. You just drained one quart of oil out of the drain plug and then topped it up with the Lucas product?
Ford has made a decision on my truck and however I still have the death rattle I am happy with the decision that was made. Kudos to them in this instance.
Have a great day and enjoy your ride!
06-09-2015, 09:30 AM
#1252
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Thanks for the update. Can you please still keep posting the good or the bad news as I am thinking of trying this. You just drained one quart of oil out of the drain plug and then topped it up with the Lucas product?
Ford has made a decision on my truck and however I still have the death rattle I am happy with the decision that was made. Kudos to them in this instance.
Have a great day and enjoy your ride!
Ford has made a decision on my truck and however I still have the death rattle I am happy with the decision that was made. Kudos to them in this instance.
Have a great day and enjoy your ride!
Yep just drained a quart of oil and added a quart of the Lucas.
06-09-2015, 10:07 AM
#1253
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06-09-2015, 10:09 AM
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This may have been covered already, but mine has definitely become cyclical. Truck will make the noise 4 or 5 morning in a row and then not make it for a week or so. Doesn't matter if it sits 8 hour or 8 days, it is always cyclical now.
Truck has 55,000 miles now and has been doing this since 20,000. Only answer I've ever gotten from the service department is that Ford Engineering says this is not causing damage to the engine and don't recommend a fix at this time.
Truck has 55,000 miles now and has been doing this since 20,000. Only answer I've ever gotten from the service department is that Ford Engineering says this is not causing damage to the engine and don't recommend a fix at this time.
06-09-2015, 10:38 AM
#1255
EB FX4 EcoRaptor
On my side, rattles at start-up definitively have been reduced changing with Ford OEM oil filter (with integrated check-valve) and a better quality oil (Synthetic Motul) with same as OEM recommended 5-30 viscosity. I also have reduced the oil change interval from the initial 10,000Km to 5-6,000 (because of fuel dilution). Unless truck sits for more than one week, the rattling has gone.
Like SUVette said, even changing the timing chain, tensioner & guides; this looks to have no incidence on the cams phasers flopping at start-up. Cam phasers don't seem to be very oil tight and they wear on the long run, getting even more loose. They aren't spring loaded, and I don't see what can maintain oil pressure in them. Like the VCT solenoids, they are only face to face metal contact.
Oil filter with integrated check-valve, good oil viscosity, top shape cam phasers & VCT solenoid valves; will all contribute to maintain oil pressure for a determinate sitting period of time and reduce chance of rattling/knocking at start-up, and this, until oil pressure comes back up on cranking.
Like SUVette said, even changing the timing chain, tensioner & guides; this looks to have no incidence on the cams phasers flopping at start-up. Cam phasers don't seem to be very oil tight and they wear on the long run, getting even more loose. They aren't spring loaded, and I don't see what can maintain oil pressure in them. Like the VCT solenoids, they are only face to face metal contact.
Oil filter with integrated check-valve, good oil viscosity, top shape cam phasers & VCT solenoid valves; will all contribute to maintain oil pressure for a determinate sitting period of time and reduce chance of rattling/knocking at start-up, and this, until oil pressure comes back up on cranking.
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06-09-2015, 12:42 PM
#1256
On my side, rattles at start-up definitively have been reduced changing with Ford OEM oil filter (with integrated check-valve) and a better quality oil (Synthetic Motul) with same as OEM recommended 5-30 viscosity. I also have reduced the oil change interval from the initial 10,000Km to 5-6,000 (because of fuel dilution). Unless truck sits for more than one week, the rattling has gone.
Like SUVette said, even changing the timing chain, tensioner & guides; this looks to have no incidence on the cams phasers flopping at start-up. Cam phasers don't seem to be very oil tight and they wear on the long run, getting even more loose. They aren't spring loaded, and I don't see what can maintain oil pressure in them. Like the VCT solenoids, they are only face to face metal contact.
Oil filter with integrated check-valve, good oil viscosity, top shape cam phasers & VCT solenoid valves; will all contribute to maintain oil pressure for a determinate sitting period of time and reduce chance of rattling/knocking at start-up, and this, until oil pressure comes back up on cranking.
Like SUVette said, even changing the timing chain, tensioner & guides; this looks to have no incidence on the cams phasers flopping at start-up. Cam phasers don't seem to be very oil tight and they wear on the long run, getting even more loose. They aren't spring loaded, and I don't see what can maintain oil pressure in them. Like the VCT solenoids, they are only face to face metal contact.
Oil filter with integrated check-valve, good oil viscosity, top shape cam phasers & VCT solenoid valves; will all contribute to maintain oil pressure for a determinate sitting period of time and reduce chance of rattling/knocking at start-up, and this, until oil pressure comes back up on cranking.
Just a question I have replaced 2 timing chains already, I am going to shorten my oil service interval to 5,000 kms and put pure synthetic oil in for sure. Do you guys think going with the ford oil filter will make a difference? I have been using the Fram ultra synthetic oil filter. Any help is appreciated.
06-09-2015, 01:27 PM
#1257
Here's the solution. It isn't sea foam or drilling holes or whatever.
Use ford oil filter. Not an "approved" filter. Get a proper RX catch can to stop fuel dilution. Change oil when required. Live happily ever after.
My 2013 FX4 has 30,000kms. Sits for months on end as I work over seas. Has had every oil change done at the dealer with their filter (and the rip off up charge for synthetic oil) and a RX can with clean side separator since it was born. Zero issues. No noises. Fires up quietly every time after sitting for months with not a single clatter or noise... I listen too. I still want to trade it in on a raptor though. Ecoboost should be called the ecobust because it's a let down. ****ty fuel economy and typical power for a truck.
Use ford oil filter. Not an "approved" filter. Get a proper RX catch can to stop fuel dilution. Change oil when required. Live happily ever after.
My 2013 FX4 has 30,000kms. Sits for months on end as I work over seas. Has had every oil change done at the dealer with their filter (and the rip off up charge for synthetic oil) and a RX can with clean side separator since it was born. Zero issues. No noises. Fires up quietly every time after sitting for months with not a single clatter or noise... I listen too. I still want to trade it in on a raptor though. Ecoboost should be called the ecobust because it's a let down. ****ty fuel economy and typical power for a truck.
Your 2013 FX4 with 30k is a baby and seems to do no real work. Thanks for contributing but you're not even playing in the same ballpark.
Flush the motor. Use high-grade FULL synthetic oils such as the ones I mentioned. Short OCI.
Use premium fuels or at least mid, it will cut down on the enrichment which contributes to the dilution.
BTW, timing chain "stretch" just refers to the cumulative wear of each of the links. Your chain can break at any point without any significant change in timing. Ford's TSB requirement of 6+ degrees is simply a general milestone that indicates there is likely significant wear across many of the links and failure is more likely to occur soon, therefore they change it. It should be taken as a sign if you have had your timing chain replaced there is a problem with either your driving style, your maintenance routines, or both.
06-09-2015, 01:50 PM
#1258
Emissions non-compliant = not a solution. Catch cans address a different problem. If your area is not affected by this and you are ok with voiding your warranty this may help but it does nothing to address oil starvation.
Your 2013 FX4 with 30k is a baby and seems to do no real work. Thanks for contributing but you're not even playing in the same ballpark.
Flush the motor. Use high-grade FULL synthetic oils such as the ones I mentioned. Short OCI.
Use premium fuels or at least mid, it will cut down on the enrichment which contributes to the dilution.
BTW, timing chain "stretch" just refers to the cumulative wear of each of the links. Your chain can break at any point without any significant change in timing. Ford's TSB requirement of 6+ degrees is simply a general milestone that indicates there is likely significant wear across many of the links and failure is more likely to occur soon, therefore they change it. It should be taken as a sign if you have had your timing chain replaced there is a problem with either your driving style, your maintenance routines, or both.
Your 2013 FX4 with 30k is a baby and seems to do no real work. Thanks for contributing but you're not even playing in the same ballpark.
Flush the motor. Use high-grade FULL synthetic oils such as the ones I mentioned. Short OCI.
Use premium fuels or at least mid, it will cut down on the enrichment which contributes to the dilution.
BTW, timing chain "stretch" just refers to the cumulative wear of each of the links. Your chain can break at any point without any significant change in timing. Ford's TSB requirement of 6+ degrees is simply a general milestone that indicates there is likely significant wear across many of the links and failure is more likely to occur soon, therefore they change it. It should be taken as a sign if you have had your timing chain replaced there is a problem with either your driving style, your maintenance routines, or both.
Disagree with the bottom paragraph, This has ZERO to do with driving style or maintenance, This is a design issue PERIOD!!!!!!!!!
I have used Synthetic from day one. Changed oil as per Fords maintenance schedules. I used nothing but the best fuels and kept up maintenance.
To say if you have had your timing chain replaced it means you don't take care of your truck or are hard on it is BS.
06-09-2015, 02:05 PM
#1259
Emissions non-compliant = not a solution. Catch cans address a different problem. If your area is not affected by this and you are ok with voiding your warranty this may help but it does nothing to address oil starvation.
Your 2013 FX4 with 30k is a baby and seems to do no real work. Thanks for contributing but you're not even playing in the same ballpark.
Flush the motor. Use high-grade FULL synthetic oils such as the ones I mentioned. Short OCI.
Use premium fuels or at least mid, it will cut down on the enrichment which contributes to the dilution.
BTW, timing chain "stretch" just refers to the cumulative wear of each of the links. Your chain can break at any point without any significant change in timing. Ford's TSB requirement of 6+ degrees is simply a general milestone that indicates there is likely significant wear across many of the links and failure is more likely to occur soon, therefore they change it. It should be taken as a sign if you have had your timing chain replaced there is a problem with either your driving style, your maintenance routines, or both.
Your 2013 FX4 with 30k is a baby and seems to do no real work. Thanks for contributing but you're not even playing in the same ballpark.
Flush the motor. Use high-grade FULL synthetic oils such as the ones I mentioned. Short OCI.
Use premium fuels or at least mid, it will cut down on the enrichment which contributes to the dilution.
BTW, timing chain "stretch" just refers to the cumulative wear of each of the links. Your chain can break at any point without any significant change in timing. Ford's TSB requirement of 6+ degrees is simply a general milestone that indicates there is likely significant wear across many of the links and failure is more likely to occur soon, therefore they change it. It should be taken as a sign if you have had your timing chain replaced there is a problem with either your driving style, your maintenance routines, or both.
Almost forgot the first time the timing chain was replaced at Wayne Pitman Ford in Guelph they pulled the motor out to do the timing chain and VCT solenoid ( old procedure TSB ). Dennis the service manager usually asks for proof of oil changes for any potential warranty work ( at the time this was a open case with Ford Canada ). First thing the tech said " this engine is spotless and there is almost zero sludge in this engine." Dennis didn't even have to ask for proof because he knew the truck was well maintained. Ford Canada like others tried to blame the timing chain design flaw on the "end user for lack of maintenance" or being hard on the vehicle which is total BS.
BTW as crappy as this truck has been I like the manager Dennis and his staff at Wayne Pitman in Guelph stand up guys. Helped me even when Ford Canada did nothing, which if you look at my signature was more often than not.
06-09-2015, 02:47 PM
#1260
