2011 ecoboost noise on start up
01-06-2015, 11:25 AM
#951
This repair was authorized by Ford Engineering. The selling dealer is 3 hours away from me so they faxed all necessary paperwork over to my local dealer to authorize the repair. It was all covered under warranty.
My local dealer has already charged me for diagnosis of the CAC (covered under warranty) timing chain, (covered under warranty) and then DENIED the repair work.
Mechanical Inspection = $179.95 (they missed EVERYTHING!)
Timing Chain Diagnosis = $38.48 (warranty)
TSB 13-8-10 = $32.99 (should have been warranty)
Remote Start Diagnosis (timing chain symptom) = $16.49
Misfiring = $165.02 (plug/coil/labor) CAC TSB DENIED.
All of it eventually covered and repaired under warranty by the selling dealer.
- CAC Update
- New Catalytic Converter
- New Alternator
- New Spark Plugs and Boots (I bought)
- New Timing Chain TSB
ALL of those repairs which my truck was more than eligible for my local dealer DENIED the repairs on. They actually told me that they couldn't do the CAC TSB because "I didn't explain my problem correctly" WTF??? The truck fell flat on it's face on the highway, threw an engine code and toasted a plug from the water ingestion... TSB Denied.
The service managers exact words to me were "they didn't sell me this truck and shouldn't be responsible for it". I about came unglued when he told me that so, yeah we have had a rocky relationship the last 5 months. I am however cordial and polite but also firm and won't take BS answers from them.
01-06-2015, 12:52 PM
#952
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01-09-2015, 12:25 PM
#953
Senior Member
Update January 9th 2015
Fuel-in-oil TSB (TSB 14-0040) was completed on Monday. Truck made the noise faintly on Tuesday morning, faintly on Wednesday, didn't start it Thursday and here is what it sounded like this morning.
Fuel-in-oil TSB (TSB 14-0040) was completed on Monday. Truck made the noise faintly on Tuesday morning, faintly on Wednesday, didn't start it Thursday and here is what it sounded like this morning.
01-13-2015, 12:19 AM
#954
Of course it's no surprise that 14-0040 had no effect on the noise... It's nothing more than a slightly revised PCV setup (and an add-on block heater for really cold days).
01-13-2015, 09:33 AM
#955
Senior Member
Of course it's no surprise that 14-0040 had no effect on the noise... It's nothing more than a slightly revised PCV setup (and an add-on block heater for really cold days).
01-15-2015, 08:13 PM
#956
Member
Well I pretty much read this entire thread (took days) and I am in the same boat as the rest of you. I have a 2013 XLT Ecoboost and I have the exact same noise on startup. I only noticed it on cold morning a few thousand miles ago (18k now) but now it is pretty consistent. If I leave it sitting for a while I can be certain I will hear the noise. I also have a rough idle when it's cold even with new plugs all gapped to .31.
Since reading this thread I have experimented with my truck a little bit. When I start it up I press the gas pedal ever so slightly as it's starting to get the rpms a little bit higher, whenever I do this I get no noise. I think it's because having the motor turn faster initially is enough to pull the slack out of the chain right away. I'm not talking high rpm's either, just slightly higher then what it sounds like on a normal start.
While I don't claim this is going to fix the problem I do claim that it gets rid of the noise and possibly unneeded wear and tear on your timing chain. The main problem I have with this line of thinking is that there is still an underlying cause for the chain to stretch in the first place and that is not going to fix itself. So by curing the sound I also may be screwing myself out of warranty repairs, if the chain is stretched I'd rather it just break while it's under warranty.
Anyway, if any of you guys with the noise would like to simply get rid of it, try feathering the gas a little as you start it and see if that cures it for you.
Since reading this thread I have experimented with my truck a little bit. When I start it up I press the gas pedal ever so slightly as it's starting to get the rpms a little bit higher, whenever I do this I get no noise. I think it's because having the motor turn faster initially is enough to pull the slack out of the chain right away. I'm not talking high rpm's either, just slightly higher then what it sounds like on a normal start.
While I don't claim this is going to fix the problem I do claim that it gets rid of the noise and possibly unneeded wear and tear on your timing chain. The main problem I have with this line of thinking is that there is still an underlying cause for the chain to stretch in the first place and that is not going to fix itself. So by curing the sound I also may be screwing myself out of warranty repairs, if the chain is stretched I'd rather it just break while it's under warranty.
Anyway, if any of you guys with the noise would like to simply get rid of it, try feathering the gas a little as you start it and see if that cures it for you.
01-16-2015, 12:20 AM
#957
Keepin' the lights on!
Well I pretty much read this entire thread (took days) and I am in the same boat as the rest of you. I have a 2013 XLT Ecoboost and I have the exact same noise on startup. I only noticed it on cold morning a few thousand miles ago (18k now) but now it is pretty consistent. If I leave it sitting for a while I can be certain I will hear the noise. I also have a rough idle when it's cold even with new plugs all gapped to .31.
Since reading this thread I have experimented with my truck a little bit. When I start it up I press the gas pedal ever so slightly as it's starting to get the rpms a little bit higher, whenever I do this I get no noise. I think it's because having the motor turn faster initially is enough to pull the slack out of the chain right away. I'm not talking high rpm's either, just slightly higher then what it sounds like on a normal start.
While I don't claim this is going to fix the problem I do claim that it gets rid of the noise and possibly unneeded wear and tear on your timing chain. The main problem I have with this line of thinking is that there is still an underlying cause for the chain to stretch in the first place and that is not going to fix itself. So by curing the sound I also may be screwing myself out of warranty repairs, if the chain is stretched I'd rather it just break while it's under warranty.
Anyway, if any of you guys with the noise would like to simply get rid of it, try feathering the gas a little as you start it and see if that cures it for you.
Since reading this thread I have experimented with my truck a little bit. When I start it up I press the gas pedal ever so slightly as it's starting to get the rpms a little bit higher, whenever I do this I get no noise. I think it's because having the motor turn faster initially is enough to pull the slack out of the chain right away. I'm not talking high rpm's either, just slightly higher then what it sounds like on a normal start.
While I don't claim this is going to fix the problem I do claim that it gets rid of the noise and possibly unneeded wear and tear on your timing chain. The main problem I have with this line of thinking is that there is still an underlying cause for the chain to stretch in the first place and that is not going to fix itself. So by curing the sound I also may be screwing myself out of warranty repairs, if the chain is stretched I'd rather it just break while it's under warranty.
Anyway, if any of you guys with the noise would like to simply get rid of it, try feathering the gas a little as you start it and see if that cures it for you.
01-16-2015, 03:14 PM
#959
Senior Member
Makes me think the oil bleed-down may be part of the issue as well as bum tensioners and stretched chains.
01-16-2015, 05:35 PM
#960
Member
I drive the truck on a daily basis, I usually park it around 6pm and start it again in the morning at about 6am, so about a 12 hour soak. The noise only happens in the morning on a cold start, once the truck has warmed up I am good for the rest of the day.
I checked my oil yesterday and it looked a little overfull and the oil definitely had a fuel smell to it so I'm pretty sure that's a contributing factor.
It has been about 4k since my last oil change so I am going to preform one this weekend, will update this thread with results on whether or not it still makes a noise after the maintenance.
I checked my oil yesterday and it looked a little overfull and the oil definitely had a fuel smell to it so I'm pretty sure that's a contributing factor.
It has been about 4k since my last oil change so I am going to preform one this weekend, will update this thread with results on whether or not it still makes a noise after the maintenance.