Originally Posted by marinemike0931

Raptor owners in general (i get the feeling this includes you) have a "I'm superior because I have a Raptor attitude that drives me crazy. I may have directed my fury at you because the guy you quoted said:
"if you arent happy with the ride on the eco, throw on a camburg racing kit for $1500-$2k and you'll have better quality fox suspension than the raptor"
He didn't say to spend 2 grand and be able to jump sand dunes... he said spend 2 grand if you aren't happy with the "ride quality" and you'll have a better fox suspension for "ride quality" purposes than a raptor (the dude said he doesn't off road AT ALL).
Then you do exactly what I've seen most Raptor owners do and start throwing out the "oh that's not good enough to match what I've got" BS. Thats what drives me nuts its not inferiority on my part... its the superiority displayed by guys like you. Mikegmag has built some awesome raptor conversion that he has more in parts than Raptors cost, and they look 10 times better than a Raptor but sure enough in chimes a Raptor owner degrading a truck obviously better than his because its not a "real" Raptor... if a "REAL" Raptor looked like his... I might have bought one!

Originally Posted by WarSurfer

Since we are throwing stones and derailing the OPs thread, why is it that when a person asks about buying a Raptor, FX4 owners feel the need to post (without being asked mind you) why they chose an FX4 over a Raptor? You have your reasons for buying an FX4, good for you. I wanted a Raptor so that is what I bought. I feel neither superior nor inferior about that decision.

Originally Posted by GhostintheMachine

Tell your friend to get his truck checked. If you're beating him something is wrong with it.

Originally Posted by marinemike0931

Because he said he was going to purchase an FX4 but a Raptor caught his eye...so that leads me to believe that it remains one of his two options... given that he hadn't bought the raptor yet!
But you are right sir, I made assumptions about you and apologise for that. People like what they like and they give there opinion on forums about, I do, you do, that's the purpose.

Originally Posted by WarSurfer

You are making a lot of assumptions about me. I'm a fan of the Raptor conversions, Mikes specifically and in general.

The Fox shocks that are 'superior' to Raptor shocks are over 2k each. Maybe his choice of words wasn't the best. Maybe he should have said that he could drastically improve the ride over stock for 2k, but that isn't what he said is it? He said buy shocks superior to Raptor shocks for 2k, and its still an incorrect statement. It isn't bravado, it's what it costs. I'm just relaying market prices and you are slamming me for it.

Since we are throwing stones and derailing the OPs thread, why is it that when a person asks about buying a Raptor, FX4 owners feel the need to post (without being asked mind you) why they chose an FX4 over a Raptor? You have your reasons for buying an FX4, good for you. I wanted a Raptor so that is what I bought. I feel neither superior nor inferior about that decision.

Originally Posted by avvblanc01

Lets be honest here. The raptor comes stock with the bare bones fox stuff and a sub par leaf pack.
You put some fox 2.5s with resis or some kings with resis and (or do it right with some bypasses) youre gonna have better dampened and cooled suspension than the raptor. Throw on a new leaf pack and the contest is over. I know you dont get the same traction control and width of a raptor but in terms of suspension quality i think you have it beat.

Then again, the op said hed never off road, so this argument is just for our own amusement ahaha
He must be dying laughing at the arguments his thread has caused

Originally Posted by WarSurfer

I didn't say you couldn't buy better stuff, I said you couldn't do it for 2 grand. The leaf packs are $1,200 by themselves.

The factory replacement versions of Fox / KING / ICON that fit regular F150's will not outperform stock Raptor gear. I'm not saying the Raptor stuff is the best or anything like that, it's typically one of the first things replaced. It does however have more travel and is designed for more serious abuse than the factory replacement line from the big three (4 if you count sway-away).

Edit: Look at this... from another member on here.

As you can see, the Raptor units are physically larger than non Raptor. That allows for more fluid, better heat control, larger/heavier spring, etc... Factory replacement gear is without question a step up from stock, but even as good as they are, they are still limited because of their size and length of travel.

The Fox / ICON / KING versions that truly surpass Factory Raptor gear cost just under 5 grand and the fronts won't fit on a non Raptor unless you install longer UCA/LCAs.