AricsFX

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Hahahaha

TurboSalsa

"It starts with a new block, heads, pistons, and intake, plus bigger turbos. Ford adds a dual-injection system, a combination of port and direct fuel injection, like Subaru uses on the BRZ/FR-S motor. That makes the H.O. 3.5 the first and only EcoBoost engine to use port injection. Ford calls this a second-generation EcoBoost, so maybe that dual-injection scheme will spread to other engines."

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-show...wd-4wd-system/

So it will be totally different than the current EB 3.5l, sharing only the displacement.

slimcubby

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I just left my Ford dealer for an oil change and he said they got information it's going to be a 6L EcoBoost. I think he might not have known what he is talking about.

NOVA99

It is a dealer. Of course they do NOT know what they are talking about. The salespeople are the last to know and they never take training because they are too busy outside puffing on a cig and waiting to chase someone down in the lot.

toddstang

Please explain how this would drive the cost up any further than the 3.5L EB?
It wouldn't take nearly that much boost to pass up what the 3.5L would offer.
From what I have seen from friends who run turbo's on 5.0's and 4.6's, it is for pure speed and over all power to go faster.
Not the case needed for the Raptor. Its not a dragster, its a 4X4 truck meant to go off road, and yea it is set up to be fast off road, but not drag race.
I work with EB engines every day and the way Ford makes them, well they make them to be affordable and reliable. It wouldn't take much tweaking to fit the same set up on a 5.0 and I would bet you a whole weeks pay that more people would buy a 5.0 EB Raptor over a 3.5L EB Raptor.

dcrabby

ME too

papa tiger

Look's sweet !

macx

I wish they would make a crew cab long bed version. I'd sign up for that for sure. Those 5.5 beds are just too small for me.

quicklx

I understand what you are saying with the not much boost to pass up the 3.5L...but it's the supporting components...as well as the engineering, tuning, testing, etc...it will all drive cost. The problem is they know very well that if they build a 5.0L ecoboost people will want more, that's how we are. When they start the design process they have to take that into consideration and put safety factors into all the CAE calculations. So let's say you want them to have a 5.0L ecoboost in that truck with 500 hp and 575 lb-ft of torque...ok yeah, that's easy...low boost....very low boost. So low, why bother with all the development money? OK so let's say they did try to go forward with it. They would now have a powerplant capable of 1000 hp very easily. Now all of the supporting items would need to be redesigned..completely...Ford isn't jegs. This means newly designed transmission, transfer case, rear axle, engine mounts, off engine brackets, trans mounts, bridging brackets, frame stiffening, etc. What I am trying to explain, is its not just an engine or induction system change...it becomes a major vehicle change.

Now assuming they get a change like that approved by upper management. Now they spend years working on the designes, working out the CAE details, and get something that might be a viable option. Now they have to find suppliers to make these new components....the volume for both the coyote and the 3.5L are relatively high. This new 1000HP capable engine would require significant changes several areas of the engine, trans, axle, and chassis. All those parts that were sourced at relatively low cost due to high volumes, will now be high cost parts with low volumes. Simply put, a $3.50 casting now becomes a $10.00 casting. Do that say....50 to 100 times on different components, and it adds up very quickly. 50 to 100 different parts may sound like a lot, but when something like this affects the entire system, it's nothing.

toddstang

Never said it needed to be anything over 400 hp. You are making this more complicated than it really needs to be. You don't think design and development of 3.5 EB cost alot of $$? LMAO. The 5.0 wouldn't cost any more.